From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Aug 30 19:41:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A7D3C736A for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BfkGc355dz4Nxm for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 69F3B3C72CE; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BBD3C70AF for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BfkGc0Nmdz4P0w; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07UJf8Xm090454; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 13:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: Aggressive ports removal To: Yuri , FreeBSD Developers , ports@freebsd.org Cc: Warner Losh , Niclas Zeising , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" References: <202008291154.07TBsr7L086597@repo.freebsd.org> <9a4583d9-097e-d0ba-4959-5c4d7b96b611@freebsd.org> <20200829232707.GC46173@eureka.lemis.com> <3ef2fdf3-c746-2f57-ec2f-2f8784bfd5ce@dreamchaser.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <3c5b533e-ae3b-5c8d-7ad9-9ea2013ee5e5@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 13:39:45 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 30 Aug 2020 13:41:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BfkGc0Nmdz4P0w X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 19:41:12 -0000 On 8/30/20 12:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote:> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 12:13 PM Gary Aitken > wrote: > > I don't know how easy this would be to implement, but it would be > very useful to know which ports are actually being built and > installed. How difficult would it be to have pkg install and the > make install script do some counting and a cron job forward the > counts to freebsd.org ? That would give a much > better sense of how useful a port is. Yes, it's inaccurate given > rebuilds, upgrades, etc., but if a port shows zero installs for > several years it seems like it could be sidelined. > > The issue here is more social than technical. Most people don't want > to disclose this information. On 8/30/20 12:53 PM, Yuri wrote: > > This is already implemented in the BSDstats project > (sysutils/bsdstats). It does such accounting for hosts that have > BSDstats installed. It shows stats on it's webpage > https://bsdstats.org/ > > However, not many people are willing to install sysutils/bsdstats, > or know about it, so it only counts based on a tiny fraction of > hosts running FreeBSD. Thanks, I didn't realize port info was reported by bsdstats. However, the ports link at the bottom doesn't work. Also, the Release Stats link at both the top and bottom seems to change to point at the last page displayed. Should I file a bug report? Gary