From owner-freebsd-testing@freebsd.org Sun Nov 15 12:47:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1207A274D8 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77F01F1E for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A769DA274D5; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: testing@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF53A274D3; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x243.google.com (mail-wm0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FFB91F1D; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baptiste.daroussin@gmail.com) Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so18259076wme.3; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 04:46:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=kQk1zTZWWt25BdXQ/eHM9o5f3fllBxPZBcbeTMOKQnI=; b=TzwPTBUJ3qtZTjDxkglpjwV6XHh+r80N6wsohZ8JEujWG483a660uPzyUN0yRKxCY5 6FjWAoveAet6mnABASzr62MixYZngwj68z0HLGYE6ugYVLIENKNmIw6nkySmhTB9/lhY EL2EHCm3QFpdGbiBIB7sQBzbfGKVPpDWdMADQgXXiBQs90gZ14/5SUcnjKM1BKDhj3TZ aVUx0aaek48a2vsY5cQohC+OZk0payrvdmTQ4OgQrhbilSUS0nokOQsZQSXOcWrQ69ev iPGmulxuEiAaMMPZsC3PMBtFST+I7kUN3x9vHfHfhtq7mzyn+/KtMAY+wOzUomDNpPa3 Q7KA== X-Received: by 10.194.90.50 with SMTP id bt18mr3910499wjb.118.1447591619701; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 04:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ivaldir.etoilebsd.net ([2001:41d0:8:db4c::1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q77sm12124617wmd.22.2015.11.15.04.46.58 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Nov 2015 04:46:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: Baptiste Daroussin Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:46:57 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Andrey Chernov Cc: John Marino , NGie Cooper , Craig Rodrigues , freebsd-current Current , "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Need help fixing failing locale tests Message-ID: <20151115124656.GB93991@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <69242BD8-9010-47F0-9706-BE206376ECEA@gmail.com> <289892B6-EACE-4BDA-B838-D3DC750319DE@gmail.com> <56482FA9.2010803@marino.st> <56487973.5070803@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56487973.5070803@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-testing@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Testing on FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:47:02 -0000 --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 03:24:19PM +0300, Andrey Chernov wrote: > On 15.11.2015 10:09, John Marino wrote: > > We (DragonFly) didn't just update locales. We took the opportunity to > > do spring cleaning. We didn't want to be as drastic as OpenBSD which > > removed all encodings except for C/POSIX and UTF, but we did remove > > several locales intentionally. > >=20 > > In the case of ISO8859-1: > > All ISO8859-* is basically obsolete. > > In western Europe, if somebody wants ISO-8859, they want ISO8859-15, not > > ISO8859-1. They are similar, but the former is tailored for western > > europe with "Euro" currency and 9 other symbols. It comes at the > > expense of removing 10 characters from ISO8859-1. There's also a common > > problem that users view -15 documents with -1 accidently. So there was > > a conscience decision to have either ISO8859-1 or ISO8859-15 but not > > both. For western Europe this means the ISO8859-1 versions were droppe= d. >=20 > ISO8859-1 locales are legacy even if obsoleted in modern world (I agree > with that). Lots of ports (even at configure stage!) have checks for > them. Since we generate locales from CLDR now, it will be no cost to > bring all 8859-1 back to not violate POLA and not fix every failing port. >=20 Exp-run have been made and no ports were failing with the removed locales. Best regards, Bapt --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlZIfsAACgkQ8kTtMUmk6EwtCQCfbQAJaHoJm7B/sdIw0/Yq8ynh KH8AoLEZQSuaZdgiRLrMWSIPrGEOHusY =ZjvY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl--