From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 12:31:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEB716A46D for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C61513C483 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.2.126]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id l4TCVg6h017681; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:31:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:31:42 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: Christian Walther Message-ID: <20070529123142.GF11076@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <465B86F9.3000001@voidmain.net> <465BFD6F.5090507@netfence.it> <92bcbda50705290356g70381411m185d9067fa1c3c60@mail.gmail.com> <14989d6e0705290504k1d8c5981w83848a71b0209161@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <14989d6e0705290504k1d8c5981w83848a71b0209161@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Tue, 29 May 2007 14:31:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: n j , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Java on the BSD Desktop? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:31:43 -0000 Le 29/05/2007 à 14:04:41+0200, Christian Walther a écrit > On 29/05/07, n j wrote: > > > I am wanting to write a gui frontend to pkg_cutleaves. I see that it is > > > just a simple perl script so, it would be quite simple to just put a gtk > > > frontend on it and call it a day. However, I am starting to write a > > > good amount of code in java and was wondering what others think about > > > java as the de-facto gui standard on the BSD desktop. > > > > For what it's worth, I think Java should be far more present in the > > FreeBSD at least as far as desktop is concerned and it's a good > > alternative to Qt/Tk/Gtk for GUI applications. Java is a fine serious > > programming language whose strongest selling point a long time ago > > ceased to be "write once, run anywhere". > > > I guess if everyone here on this list gives his/her two cents to this ;-) > topic we're having a nice java advocacy flame war. ;-) ;-) > > Personally I never would install such a software title. I think Java > is dead slow and needs too much resources to perform a specific tasks, Personnally I'm not a developper, I never write a software (more complex thant «hello_world»). I'm sys-admin and I never see a GUI Java software run correctly on all OS. Many commercial software have a GUI java installer, I don't understand this thing. Because It really suck....To do just something like «tar» and «chmod» we don't need a big thing like Java. But on server side, event I don't like theem, the software like Jakarta-Tomcat work fine. There need lots of lots of memory but they work. IMHO if you write a gui frontend to FreeBSD I don't see the advantage to use Java (For install jdk14/15 from source you need linux/sun-jdk/lot_lot_of_memory). You can use something like python if you want objet-programming. Or maybe Ruby. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26 Heure local/Local time: Mar 29 mai 2007 14:26:00 CEST