From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sun Mar 15 22:12:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F7B27A468; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cse.cem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-f178.google.com (mail-oi1-f178.google.com [209.85.167.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48gYZP707Wz4Mcb; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 22:12:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cse.cem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id k18so15752824oib.3; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=y6azxu8OxOkSryKmzq76I+qix1RNe5WuHa1inF9CXt4=; b=KWk60E99kPx6xxN2qYKJeIb7SdZ/EDSC6M2a//Y81WgSfLLGCE4+ZZd+IRxiSABkv2 CQAXEFV364Sky3s0mFTyOkYFq+JwH7NGO4o5kyMZV7z5lMPHpaJCSxITyxVUFKyQP/UJ NZRrg5NiUVJXnxUnieSELI7lK6rkZeamweiC6/OydDtz/uLE+UH78dX2OGEnSyJEWVW5 he1jbA1r0VnKMLNVd/4cwq+n4xCJFD5CK1cpe7QeLuKzF4/kS4bGAcDd1R1Ex8HqaqlA DXkUgtaK81ywymQp/ozq9jjNFJxoetcJdAAss3DrK7JeW/nuO0k+/DdyDH4FNxNS8fN+ KL5w== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1i05SVIPE3yPibYG7G6sE8w2ZPVL9CqPGSnw2anPDvQppXAdmq YJeva53UGQ63dkXwJF3F71hV+tDW X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vv/ApYRGDa8enJl3Xi9YrxyK10H3TyenezT76PiTAJHnFJ17u43WDL1SESNF8mxVOaLgnCpKA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:c8:: with SMTP id t8mr2043491oic.3.1584310332163; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com (mail-oi1-f174.google.com. [209.85.167.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e22sm22577387ote.32.2020.03.15.15.12.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id r7so15770461oij.0; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:4303:: with SMTP id q3mr1961910oia.81.1584310331323; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202003150049.02F0n67t076614@repo.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: cem@freebsd.org From: Conrad Meyer Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:12:00 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r359005 - head/usr.bin/calendar/calendars To: Pedro Giffuni Cc: src-committers , svn-src-all , svn-src-head Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48gYZP707Wz4Mcb X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.78 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.78)[-0.783,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 22:12:14 -0000 Pedro, It seems like you are attempting to belittle me, and perhaps the entire USA, by intentionally conflating the calendar(1) program with the entire concept of written records and education. Stop it. I know you're smart and have been around FreeBSD long enough to understand that in context, 'calendar(1)' referred to /usr/bin/calendar; pretending to misunderstand in order to respond to a straw man does not persuade. It's also just not a great way to treat fellow project contributors, even if you disagree with my opinion. Sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. Especially not among colleagues. Please try to speak directly and advocate for your viewpoints without resorting to it, or sweeping attacks on my person and/or "culture." Thank you, Conrad On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:59 AM Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Some cultures despise the value of history and things like education and > maps and degenerate accordingly [1]: this tool helps by hinting > curiosity. Of course if the database is not populated or people don't > use calendar(1) it won't be effective at all. > > > [calendar(1)]'s a toy of a certain era that has aged poorly. > > Some quite long lasting institutions like the Roman Catholic Church, > which will likely outlive me and you, use it extensively: > > http://www.romcal.net/output/2020.htm > > > [calendar(1)] belongs with other fun and non-integral components, like > > sopwith(6), in ports. > > Ultimately that's one of the reasons why there is interest in a packaged > base. There are plenty of tools in base that people don't commonly use; > we have to find consensus instead of imposing our own limited views. > > Pedro. > > [1] https://youtu.be/lj3iNxZ8Dww