From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 5 22:46:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-1.free.fr (postfix2-1.free.fr [213.228.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408AD37B6B2 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluerondo.a.la.turk (nas-cbv-11-62-147-117-135.dial.proxad.net [62.147.117.135]) by postfix2-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18EB18F for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:45:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 1567 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Apr 2002 06:45:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 08:45:29 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Use/Utilize Message-ID: <20020406064529.GB1426@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020405183857.GA58446@oitunix.oit.umass.edu> <20020405231950.B63981@lpt.ens.fr> <3CAE3C62.4012DA04@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CAE3C62.4012DA04@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on Apr 5, 2002 at 16:08:02: > > Actually I think the distinction is probably one of Brett's and Terry's > > fantasies. They mean the same in ordinary English and I'll be > > surprised if there is a distinction in law (IANAL but nor are they). > > Your definitions ignore the fact that "use" can be a noun, an > intransitive verb, or a transitive verb. > > The word "utilize" is *only* a transitive verb. > > The GPL "uses" (8-)) the word in its least common application, > where the word "utilize" would serve better, and therfore > attempts to muddy the waters regarding derivitive works > (utilizing the code) vs. operation of the application (using > the code). Excuse me. It looks like a transitive verb in both of these phrases, to me, at least; and I find it quite legitimate to write that derivative works "use" the code while operation of the application "utilizes" the code. In fact, if I follow Merriam-Webster's suggestions, I'd prefer to "use" the code in a run-of-the-mill derivative work (embedding a GPL'd FFT routine in a program of my own) but "utilize" the code in a novel application (utilize an FFT to do fast multiplications of large integers). - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message