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Errrr..... Thread-Topic: DEQNA support in stable ???! Errrr..... 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The mini version of the DEUNA interface for >> the full size Vax/11 machines. Now, I woudn't be surprised to see this >> in netBSD, but kind of surprised to see it in FreeBSD! Anyone care to >> enlighten me ? >> > >FreeBSD has never had support for DEQNA. The if_deqna was added by me when >I wrote devd as a ridiculous, never to clash with anything example. First, >it is 'qe' in other BSDs. Second, FreeBSD will never run on VAXen. It was >mostly a joke.=20 As the original author of the if_qe.c driver for the Qbus DEQNA, I can hone= stly state that that hardware was a joke. It was a pig to program and didn't fol= low its own published spec. My driver allowed CSRG to convince DEC to give them their driver from Ultrix, but it wasn't much better. (When I retired a few years ago, I still had a MicroVAXII sitting under my = desk, mostly as a joke. It was sooo sllooowwww, but it would still boot some var= iant of 4BSD.) rick=