From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 19:59:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D941116A4CE; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [66.127.85.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A191043D48; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from [66.127.85.91] ([66.127.85.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6MJxJWi011755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) From: Sam Leffler Organization: Errno Consulting To: Nate Lawson Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:00:11 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200407212045.i6LKjHvX090599@palm.tree.com> <20040722092441.GH3001@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <40FFEB86.2050209@root.org> In-Reply-To: <40FFEB86.2050209@root.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407221300.11486.sam@errno.com> cc: Peter Jeremy cc: Scott Long cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern kern_shutdown.c X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:21 -0000 On Thursday 22 July 2004 09:29 am, Nate Lawson wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-Jul-21 15:57:30 -0600, Scott Long wrote: > >>Implementing a journalling filesystem would be a much more beneficial > >>use of time here. > > > > You still wind up with unwritten data in RAM, just less of it. > > > > How much effort would be required to add journalling to UFS or UFS2? > > How big a gain does journalling give you over soft-updates? > > Kirk pointed out something to me the other day which many people don't > think about. None of the journaling systems has had its recovery mode > fully tested, especially on very large systems (dozen TB). It turns out > that memory pressure from per-allocation unit state is a big problem > when you are trying to recover a huge volume. > > Just because it says "journaling" doesn't make it good. I can assure you that XFS has been well-tested with TB systems. Sam