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Date:      Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:00:11 -0700
From:      Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>
To:        Nate Lawson <nate@root.org>
Cc:        cvs-src@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern kern_shutdown.c
Message-ID:  <200407221300.11486.sam@errno.com>
In-Reply-To: <40FFEB86.2050209@root.org>
References:  <200407212045.i6LKjHvX090599@palm.tree.com> <20040722092441.GH3001@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <40FFEB86.2050209@root.org>

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On Thursday 22 July 2004 09:29 am, Nate Lawson wrote:
> Peter Jeremy wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-Jul-21 15:57:30 -0600, Scott Long wrote:
> >>Implementing a journalling filesystem would be a much more beneficial
> >>use of time here.
> >
> > You still wind up with unwritten data in RAM, just less of it.
> >
> > How much effort would be required to add journalling to UFS or UFS2?
> > How big a gain does journalling give you over soft-updates?
>
> Kirk pointed out something to me the other day which many people don't
> think about.  None of the journaling systems has had its recovery mode
> fully tested, especially on very large systems (dozen TB).  It turns out
> that memory pressure from per-allocation unit state is a big problem
> when you are trying to recover a huge volume.
>
> Just because it says "journaling" doesn't make it good.

I can assure you that XFS has been well-tested with TB systems.

	Sam



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