From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 23 07:48:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866D52FAE23 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 07:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x32f.google.com (mail-ot1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Tb7f4BzZz4VLk for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 07:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id v17so10097145ote.0 for ; Sat, 23 May 2020 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L5verrmKXnHrAMFM38F0zbS+Fp6hEyfgNrhdNKaCMJw=; b=V6kkmgOUWfBUx1Y6hn+MAPNVd1bjVIDHz8xyPjkPxQt3Msd8UqWz7MWotKFJB44jSk T79cu2yfYVBcvxvQOB7qVL31EA7++qstW2F9+X3lnW+yOhdlc4po2zGJ5o48bSGa9CvY VZqy/IkAA6UzVzeZdHLdhGhSC3cnB/ISlhztUcdV85B6G0vcau95WUkC260peWbPxY6l QRSeQ6Ny642MdtMc0FbI1EPhGEW54cP0f64unJOrXprGILmDK5QsuwAqUD51sRmhsZ4l XiTrFffNI5KrdzYdJnXWjl9pETezZVRWDNmtNOvCoQCyThltcZioFe1835u5uTJuDtp4 lfqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L5verrmKXnHrAMFM38F0zbS+Fp6hEyfgNrhdNKaCMJw=; b=gX8//9lS1VL/IYYPMUp2RjQpyON6Sx/cXALw1fVbMDwTz+egZ1yWBFdfenyiMmReJ6 0gxGyhZy+4wCdKEbKLl3HNZ8kUX6IysPEF5dhYuv01X091+XV5NKyh8Seif5KUQRRj7U PCLjRd+SnEW1v4vEEXCThtx+qv+vsrPdI/cXMO1OTXiiwdpjN1KLsaHsM0Picc3UvWYQ 6gADiAbBg5GqdwLdaoaIqwldAs/+vi4w3ljZ/qA1JKA4ATpHTCI5mjlKRSXSFt6rzfD4 zLRMtKtvwfUJSzB8u1gt4UStTRKf51vaD0Hnj08JNMb5kH6ZUhpkmVarXFSxzdMc02pG couA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533BAYiBBFsT+z609KOADAaAnzH1wiF8KN4FvrwG9xMESGAnx59b YBRNaoarvl7Bk7wXhEq20np+EPwdVz9vU3f8ya23hVKbZV4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxdNIIku/4VThEkG91ZUsGOVe5bdxqWP9VSs1+iMn/THfYIm5aLdDHc3frB/hcSufKr95PYWVBCxVgNwW4mPYE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:c28:: with SMTP id 37mr3758295otr.26.1590220092626; Sat, 23 May 2020 00:48:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 10:47:37 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: updating a FreeBSD workstation To: Doug Denault Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Tb7f4BzZz4VLk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=V6kkmgOU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of odhiambo@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=odhiambo@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.032]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.984]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.52)[-0.519]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 07:48:15 -0000 On Sat, 23 May 2020 at 09:39, Doug Denault wrote: > Thoughts/questions on updating a FreeBSD desktop. > > This comes out of the "FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life" thread. It seems to me > there > are two distinct sets of users: server and desktop. There have to be a few > like > me with a foot in each camp. My server problem was largely of my own > making (no > serial console and the data center was a 4+ hour drive at the wrong time > of > day). Solved that one. For me I have have no real issues keeping > production > servers update to date. My main issues have been with MySQL and PHP, not > FreeBSD. > > The desktop is a whole different thing. My solution has been every so > often > start fresh because I can not afford the time to risk a non-working > desktop. > When the ports moved to being based on the release head I had high hopes. > I > think I did not understand what that actually meant. My environment is > xfce with > enough stuff to give me something close to my partner's OS/X system. In > addition > to the "normal" stuff for me this means having, firefox, chrome, > libreoffice, > mysql and tigervnc. This ends up with 625 (or so) ports and packages. I > did my > current system in December. > To be honest, unless one has a lot of time on their hands for messing around, FreeBSD is not what you want for a Desktop environment. Use your Linux of choice and have a foothold in both worlds. Look at it this way: Ardent FreeBSD guys started PC-BSD, which was quite good for the Desktop. They then changed to TrueOS (just the name) and finally decided that TrueOS is better left to be their server version and https://project-trident.org/ to be their Desktop version. The later is based on something called Void Linux (I am hearing about that for the first time today after your post prompted me to look for PC-BSD, TrueOS). So either head to Project Trident or just identify some Linux for the Desktop. You will have and an easier life. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)