Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 08:58:52 -0600 From: "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr" <jnagyjr1978@gmail.com> To: Jakub Lach <jakub_lach@mailplus.pl> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing Message-ID: <50F9632C.9020607@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1358510145871-5778824.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <CACGq7x36hROmEwYS75YZM1o=c7R4kpWX3thmT_J-7=CRz=zQWw@mail.gmail.com> <1358468373919-5778675.post@n5.nabble.com> <50F8BA31.8090709@gmail.com> <1358510145871-5778824.post@n5.nabble.com>
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On 01/18/13 05:55, Jakub Lach wrote: > You are missing my point. Opera couldn't just outright > stop 'supporting' Java plug-ins (more like Java content, > believe it or not, but using plug-in or JRE is secondary > here), but they are not ones responsible for this > environment deployment. No, I don't think I did miss your point. The Opera developers didn't, from the OP, they switched from JRE to plug-ins. The Opera developers can be the only ones because they are the only ones developing Opera. Certainly Oracle isn't forcing anyone to use the plug-in over the run-time environment. > I know FreeBSD as a project should document to the > it's best ability all possible use cases one could be > forced into (including using Java plug-in). > > I think it does good job mostly. I think they do an excellent job. > <rant> > > That doesn't stop me from a little rant on the side, > though... > > And hopefully it goes my way: > > http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-javaruntime/all/all > > But that doesn't stop people from installing plug-in > en masse, which starts to defy reason: > > http://www.statowl.com/plugin_overview.php > > <rant/> To be honest, I'm not interested in plug-in-vs.-run-time-environment arguments. Having been knee-deep in the browser wars and having advocated Linux (and more recently, FreeBSD) over any other operating system, I just couldn't give a rip about any such arguments over anything else (including OS and browser preference) anymore. I'm more in the "best tool for the job, with a favoring of copyfree licensing over any other all else being equal" camp now-a-days. If something stops supporting something I felt critical, if there is a better (or technically equal but better licensed) alternative, I'll just switch to it. It just happens to be the OP wanted Jave RE for Opera instead of the plug-in model and may have found a hackity-hack way of doing so despite the Opera people moving to the plug-in model. Given your view of plugins, if you don't want to extend the functionality of your browser through them, that's fine. You may even have a point about their awful security. I have no such concerns. Not because I have no concerns about security, but because I take other steps to mitigate my exposure to malicious web sites. Also, I'm partially insulted by your logic that somehow installing a plug-in of any sort "defies reason." There are many reasons people will install the Java plugin. I happen to want to be able to play Runescape (a very popular browser-based MMO). That and the fact some other websites (like, last time I visited, the Small Business Administration website along with a few others) do use Java, I would like to be able to view them (it's the same reason I use Flash, not because I like it, but because it's necessary for my being able to visit various websites). -- Yours in Christ, Joseph A Nagy Jr "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid." -- Proverbs 12:1 Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Original content CopyFree (F) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org
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