From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 13:05:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103171065670 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hosting@syscare.sk) Received: from services.syscare.sk (services.syscare.sk [188.40.39.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB4E8FC1E for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from services.syscare.sk (services [188.40.39.36]) by services.syscare.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB68A6324 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:05:00 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rulez.sk Received: from services.syscare.sk ([188.40.39.36]) by services.syscare.sk (services.rulez.sk [188.40.39.36]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJMnZN7zJLH3 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:04:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from hosting.syscare.sk (hosting [188.40.39.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by services.syscare.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8CABA62ED for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:04:50 +0100 (CET) Received: (from www@localhost) by hosting.syscare.sk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q0JD4oat080568; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:04:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hosting@syscare.sk) X-Authentication-Warning: hosting.syscare.sk: www set sender to hosting@syscare.sk using -f To: X-PHP-Originating-Script: 0:func.inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:04:50 +0100 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project In-Reply-To: <570E1AEB-F0C5-4286-BF10-56D509D33473@kientzle.com> References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <570E1AEB-F0C5-4286-BF10-56D509D33473@kientzle.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: danger@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.5.4 Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:05:03 -0000 On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:54:44 -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > On Jan 18, 2012, at 2:44 AM, Robert Watson wrote: >> >> ... perhaps what is really called for is breaking out our .0 release >> engineering entirely from .x engineering, with freebsd-update being in >> the latter. > > This is a great idea! > > In particular, it would allow more people to be involved. I like this idea too. In a summary to this thread, I'd say that people would love to see: - more regular minor releases, e.g. 8.3, 8.4 say every 4 months (3x per year) - have max. 2 -STABLE branches under support at any given time (once a new -STABLE is created, EOL the oldest supported branch; in a result we would release major version a bit less often. However 5 years between mayor releases is too much and that would only stagnate the development and make switching between mayor releases much more difficult) - make X.Y.Z releases more common or issue Errata notices for existing minor releases more often. I can easily imagine us fixing much more bugs by Errata notices than we do now. How much work is behind issuing an errata notice? - an idea from this thread that I liked is to allow people to cherry-pick the patch level (-pX) which would be great if we managed to release more errata notices. -- Kind regards Daniel