Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:25 +1000 From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> To: "Joe Warner" <jswarner@uswest.net> Cc: "James Diefenderfer" <james@worldly.org>, "Jerry Dunham" <jerry@dunham.org>, <cal@rushe.aero.org>, "Greg Lehey" <grog@lemis.com>, "Wes Peters" <wes@softweyr.com>, "Michael Smith" <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Sue Blake" <sue@welearn.com.au>, <newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Message-ID: <05c401bfd4cd$52956590$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B
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Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid proprietory hardware generally though ..... seems most of it is designed primarily around Windows operating systems & one is only looking for trouble messing with these things. The latest series of HP computers seem to be particularly bad, they even give major hardware conflict problems with Win2000, so the weirdness with unix is something else again. The ones I've struck recently came with really evil componentry like unbranded internal winmodems & network cards, SiS videocards etc, so they are top of my "avoid at any price" list. I've used a lot of HP gear and found the company support (at least in OZ) extremely good, but they are slipping badly with current range of computers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Warner" <jswarner@uswest.net> To: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> Cc: "James Diefenderfer" <james@worldly.org>; "Jerry Dunham" <jerry@dunham.org>; <cal@rushe.aero.org>; "Greg Lehey" <grog@lemis.com>; "Wes Peters" <wes@softweyr.com>; "Michael Smith" <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>; "Sue Blake" <sue@welearn.com.au>; <newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD > I just installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 266mhz machine today at work > and the install went flawlessly. It recognized all my hardware, with the > exception of the sound card. I'll fix this problem when I recompile the kernel > later. I gave it a static IP address, got my Apache and FTP servers going. I > forgot to install Netscape and went to > /usr/local/ports/www/netscape/netscape47-communicator and typed "make install" > and it went out through our firewall to Netscapes FTP site and did all the > work!! (I played X-Bill and Battleship while it was installing) My co-workers > were pretty impressed! 8^} > > Doug Young wrote: > > > I've only just noticed this thread ...... maybe its time someone did a > > hardware > > HOW_NOT_TO. I'll bet the problem is hardware related .... the machine & > > the machine giving all the problems is one of those proprietary disasters. > > I've > > lost count of the weirdness I've seen with AST / Compaq / Fujitsu / HP / IBM > > / Western / etc .... although strangely enough I have had good results with > > Digital > > Venturis boxes, as long as the original network card is replaced by an early > > SMC > > / 3-com / Intel. Another recipe for trouble is anything with an SiS label, > > especially > > videocards. Despite the warnings I've given other newbies, I just now tried > > installing > > 4.0 in a nice little Western box, thinking they would make lovely gateway > > machines ...... > > however this monstrosity adds a new meaning to "YUKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!! > > makes me think maybe dougy should have stuck with the pizza business :) > > not to fear .... the Digitals are all running nicely, and if all else fails > > the old dual P100 > > complete mit twin MFM SCSI's & 4.0 RELEASE is sitting in the next room > > waiting > > patiently for its next turn at gatewaying > > > > > It can be pretty discouraging when you're having problems but don't > > give > > > up. Be persistent and you'll eventually solve the problem. I don't know > > > about anybody else but I had my share of bad weekends when I tried to > > > install Linux for the first time. In my case, I was installing it on my > > PC > > > at work to dual boot with WIN 95 and thought I was going to have a heart > > > attack when I thought I had it installed properly, rebooted and saw the > > > message "Operating system not found". At the same moment, which is often > > > the case, users were calling in for assistance and I desperately needed to > > > get to the email and documents on my WIN 95 partition. Fortunately, I had > > > created a ghost image of my PC and put it on CD ROM before the install. > > > Each install after this, I became less and less apprehensive. One of the > > > real joys I have found with using FreeBSD/Linux/Unix is that it forces you > > > understand the inner workings of your PC and software on a much deeper > > > level. I've gotten a great amount of satisfaction when I struggle with a > > > problem for a few days and finally come up with the answer and fix it > > > myself. In fact, I actually look forward to solving problems now. My > > only > > > limitation is time. If you're getting too frustrated, take a break, do > > > some more research and go back at it. I'm confident you'll eventually get > > > over this hurdle. Doug Young has written an excellent tutorial, geared > > > towards newbies on installing and configuring FreeBSD. The install > > > instructions focus on installing from floppy but you can ignore this if > > > you're installing from CD. The jpg's are a little too big and take a > > > little bit to load but, in my opinion, they are quite helpful. Take a > > > look---->http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ > > > Good luck and don't give up. 8^} > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > James Diefenderfer wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install > > > > FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This > > > > makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far > > > > as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " > > > > /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I > > > > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > > > > "boot error". > > > > > > > > I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! > > > > > > > > I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > > > not sure about the former. > > > -Albert Einstein. > > > 1879-1955. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > not sure about the former. > -Albert Einstein. > 1879-1955. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message
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