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Date:      Thu, 01 Aug 2024 08:18:18 +0000
From:      bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org
To:        x11@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   [Bug 270509] Various x11-drivers/xf86-video drivers erroneously assume that no kernel driver will attach to graphics cards (need local patches)
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--- Comment #51 from Emmanuel Vadot <manu@freebsd.org> ---
(In reply to Stefan B. from comment #50)

> Maybe this is because one particularity of FreeBSD is that most developer=
s use=20
> MacBooks and virtual machines for testing. Eating their dog food isn=C2=
=B4t very=20
> popular with them. Warren Block already tried to address this, without su=
ccess.
> So I wonder less and less why Mr. Vadot wrote a laptop backlight tool whi=
le at=20
> the same time pushing for removal of support for server-typical hardware.

Why would I wrote a backlight tool if I used virtual machines and a macbook=
 ?
I wrote it because I need to control the backlight on my FreeBSD laptops, i=
s it
hard to understand the reason ?

> Years ago, in the mailing list we already had a discussion about your des=
ire to remove SC, and one of the main=20
> reasons is that for Nvidia cards suspend/resume only is supported by SC, =
but not by VT. Confronted by the sheer=20
> volume of substantiated protests, you postponed your intent to remove it.
> Here is the link: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers/2021=
-November/000468.html

 Why did no one bother working on adding support for suspend/resume for nvi=
dia
on vt(4) ?
 Also are you sure that it's not working at all of is that only for some old
generation ? If it's not working at all it means that nvidia users currently
don't use uefi (as sc(4) don't support it) and I feel that a bit odd.

> I have to admit that I feel disgusted by way you tried to force the remov=
al of=20
> the non-Intel/AMD/Nvidia drivers through the backdoor by making them=20
> dysfunctional by removing pci.c, and let the users clean up the mess. Thi=
s all > puts up the question whether it is wise making ones' company's exis=
tence=20
> dependent on an OS that can break at any time because of such things.

Seriously ?
First I didn't removed pci.c, I remove an not-upstreamed patch that, at the
time, I though useless.
And obviously I didn't do it on purpose to "force the removal of he
non-Intel/AMD/Nvidia drivers through the backdoor", that's freaking nuts of=
 you
to think that.

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