From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 7 08:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27464 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:23:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (uucp@osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27451 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA00391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:22:39 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA11385; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:45:52 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199802070945.KAA11385@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: wd0s1e hard errors In-Reply-To: <303.886812282@gringo.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Feb 6, 98 04:44:42 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:45:51 +0100 (MET) Cc: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, mike@smith.net.au, alk@pobox.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote... > > If I wanted graphical junk during install I'll go for M$ stuff. On the other > > hand if people wanted to create an graphical install like Solaris Sparc > > has... > > BARF. Never. For one thing, blind people have an almost impossible > time with graphical installs whereas the text based ones work quite Yes that is definitely a problem. But how do they handle the current sysinstall? I assume that is a difficult one to grasp if you can't see it. Or do they use serial consoles with this 'talker' attached? I've never seen this 'talker' in use. > well with the PC "talkers" and enable FreeBSD to be installed where > fancier OSes are impossible. After working with Max here in Japan (he > was my translator for the FreeBSD keynote speach), I have renewed > respect for the task of keeping us accessible to the handicapped and > will fight a purely graphical install tooth and nail. Let's not also I have a colleague who is now a computer programmer and who nearly lost his complete eyesight in his former job as a chemical engineer. He needs big fontsizes, in colors like orange on purple (yuck..) to be able to work. But he manages. So I see your point. And remember that Solaris Sparc (as an example) can also be installed on a serial console, e.g. on headless servers. So the example is not as bad as you think ;-) > forget the ISPs who install FreeBSD via serial consoles and would also > view a graphical installer as a step backward. > > The splash screen stuff is another kettle of fish - I can think of a > number of commercial folks who'd like their logo to come up when > FreeBSD boots and such things don't interfere with text based installs > anyway, so why not? Well, it was my understanding that people are scraping the last bits from the boot floppy to make that work. In the scraping process they propose to remove support for older hardware. IMHO that is a bad tradeoff. An alternative would be to have multiple bootfloppies but that starts to smell like Linux ('please select the right flavor from the list of 14 floppies presented here'). Yikes. > Jordan _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' --------------- Support your local daemons: run [Free,Net,Open]BSD Unix --