Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:45:51 +0100 (MET) From: Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Cc: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, mike@smith.net.au, alk@pobox.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wd0s1e hard errors Message-ID: <199802070945.KAA11385@yedi.iaf.nl> In-Reply-To: <303.886812282@gringo.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Feb 6, 98 04:44:42 pm"
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As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote...
> > If I wanted graphical junk during install I'll go for M$ stuff. On the other
> > hand if people wanted to create an graphical install like Solaris Sparc
> > has...
>
> BARF. Never. For one thing, blind people have an almost impossible
> time with graphical installs whereas the text based ones work quite
Yes that is definitely a problem. But how do they handle the current
sysinstall? I assume that is a difficult one to grasp if you can't see
it. Or do they use serial consoles with this 'talker' attached? I've never
seen this 'talker' in use.
> well with the PC "talkers" and enable FreeBSD to be installed where
> fancier OSes are impossible. After working with Max here in Japan (he
> was my translator for the FreeBSD keynote speach), I have renewed
> respect for the task of keeping us accessible to the handicapped and
> will fight a purely graphical install tooth and nail. Let's not also
I have a colleague who is now a computer programmer and who nearly lost
his complete eyesight in his former job as a chemical engineer. He needs
big fontsizes, in colors like orange on purple (yuck..) to be able to work.
But he manages. So I see your point.
And remember that Solaris Sparc (as an example) can also be installed
on a serial console, e.g. on headless servers. So the example is not
as bad as you think ;-)
> forget the ISPs who install FreeBSD via serial consoles and would also
> view a graphical installer as a step backward.
>
> The splash screen stuff is another kettle of fish - I can think of a
> number of commercial folks who'd like their logo to come up when
> FreeBSD boots and such things don't interfere with text based installs
> anyway, so why not?
Well, it was my understanding that people are scraping the last bits from
the boot floppy to make that work. In the scraping process they propose
to remove support for older hardware. IMHO that is a bad tradeoff.
An alternative would be to have multiple bootfloppies but that starts
to smell like Linux ('please select the right flavor from the list of
14 floppies presented here'). Yikes.
> Jordan
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