From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jun 4 11:52:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07384 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07282 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29790; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd029747; Thu Jun 4 11:51:54 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03682; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:51:51 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199806041851.LAA03682@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: I see one major problem with DEVFS... To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:51:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: eivind@yes.no, tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199806040300.XAA02003@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Jun 3, 98 11:00:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > If you want the removal of config to happen, _do something about it_. > > A lot of us don't. Most of us who don't are the same ones as learned > long ago to filter out mail matching ^From:.*tlambert@.*primenet\.com. > Terry has been complaining about config for five years now, and while > the current config is a mess, I don't believe that there is serious > disagreement about the need for such a tool. (I think this goes > particularly for those of us who operate machines that people actually > depend upon on a day-to-day basis.) 1) Barriers for new users should be removed, even if they are sacred cows. Yes, this is an opinion, but I believe it is one that is beneficial to the FreeBSD project, and is (or should) be held by others who advocate FreeBSD. 2) The config program is a barrier for new users. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. People who have never used the config program in FreeBSD are unlikely to have experience with a similar program in the environment they came from, be it Linux or be it Windows. Let's actually address the issue you raise: What task can you perform with config that you don't think you would be able to perform without config? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message