From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 13 22:57:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0BF16A407 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@areilly.bpc-users.org) Received: from omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com (omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com [144.140.93.154]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC24043D46 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:57:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@areilly.bpc-users.org) Received: from areilly.bpc-users.org ([141.168.4.160]) by omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20060413225751.OSNC24931.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@areilly.bpc-users.org> for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:57:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 62327 invoked by uid 501); 13 Apr 2006 22:59:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:59:43 +1000 From: Andrew Reilly To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20060413225943.GA62097@gurney.reilly.home> References: <20060405200341.GD14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405200727.GA28371@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060405201500.GE14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405211154.GA30089@soaustin.net> <20060410215633.GA2483@soaustin.net> <20060412083912.U21446@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060412083912.U21446@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Mark Linimon , Alexey Karagodov , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Dennis Melentyev Subject: Re: Disappointed X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:57:54 -0000 On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 08:41:49AM +0100, Robert Watson wrote: > Apparently simply asking and > knowing it's available is sufficient, meaning that they tend not to be very > profitable business ventures, as apparently few people actually need > support :-). I guess the FreeBSD documentation and mailing lists provide > pretty decent first tier support so most people never need a next tier. This is one of the nubs of the "worse is better" philosophy. You won't build a viable ecosystem around something unless it has a certain inherent level of crappyness that *always* needs third-party fixing. Once you have that ecosystem, there's that large interest vested in ensuring that you and your crappyness survive... Personally, I'm very grateful that FreeBSD has always had the "better is better" philosophy, so that most of the time things just work, and even when they don't, they have a tendency to improve steadily over time. Please keep up the good (great!) work. Cheers, -- Andrew