From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 5 23: 7:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1A237B417 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 23:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0345.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.90] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tkIF-0001K3-00; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:07:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3CAE9E85.BDEDB76C@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:06:45 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Use/Utilize References: <20020405183857.GA58446@oitunix.oit.umass.edu> <20020405231950.B63981@lpt.ens.fr> <3CAE3C62.4012DA04@mindspring.com> <20020406064529.GB1426@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > The GPL "uses" (8-)) the word in its least common application, > > where the word "utilize" would serve better, and therfore > > attempts to muddy the waters regarding derivitive works > > (utilizing the code) vs. operation of the application (using > > the code). > > Excuse me. It looks like a transitive verb in both of these phrases, > to me, at least; and I find it quite legitimate to write that > derivative works "use" the code while operation of the application > "utilizes" the code. > > In fact, if I follow Merriam-Webster's suggestions, I'd prefer to > "use" the code in a run-of-the-mill derivative work (embedding a GPL'd > FFT routine in a program of my own) but "utilize" the code in a novel > application (utilize an FFT to do fast multiplications of large > integers). I prefer OED. However... Let's say everything you say is correct. Do you agree that there is confusion in the GPL about whether or not derivative works constitute "use" or "utilization" of the code? I think there is, and I think this confusion is intentional. Surely, you must agree that the use of the word "free" is a redefinition, right? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message