From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 15: 7:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6173337B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF43443FB9; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [146.106.12.76] (ip-26.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.26] (may be forged)) by durendal.skynet.be (8.12.7/8.12.7/Skynet-OUT-2.21) with ESMTP id h15N72LK009375; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:07:03 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:43:00 +0100 To: Julian Elischer From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Cc: Wilko Bulte , Eugene Grosbein , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:01 AM -0800 2003/02/05, Julian Elischer wrote: > I suggest we hold a plebecite on this, where people be willing to put > their names in public to decide the issue. > I think personally that core has acted against the wishes of the > majority of committers, but that there is a large group who will go > along with what core says, because they believe in the "rules". This is a classic vocal minority/silent majority problem. Unless you explicitly enumerate all possible FreeBSD committers and contributors and ask each and every one of them which way they vote on the subject and you force them to vote one way or the other, and then you expose all the voting information (potentially obscuring the information that ties a particular arbitrary code to a particular person), then you'll never be able to get a final answer to this question. There are too many people who don't know anything about the situation (and therefore can't justify voting one way or the other), or don't care, or care but don't choose to complain publicly, etc.... -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message