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Date:      Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:53:32 -0600
From:      "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1013925212.07e3f4@mired.org>
To:        Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: About your operating  system
Message-ID:  <15464.44508.363090.284294@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <55687229@toto.iv>

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Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> types:
> On 2002-02-10 21:56, C J Michaels wrote:
> > Don't want him going out and buying a USB modem.
> > Aren't those Winmodems too?
> Indeed.  As a rule of thumb, most USB modems are Winmodems.

Most? I'm interested in what gives you that impression.

There's been a standard for USB modems that FreeBSD has supported for
over a year now. The problem is that the standard includes an optional
part that basically provides emulation of a serial modem for backwards
compatability. The FreeBSD driver requires that, at least in -stable.

Since all USB modems - and all serial modems, last time I checked -
came with drivers for Windows, it's really hard to tell if a
particular USB modem fails to work because it uses a proprietary
protocol, which would make it a winmodem, or because it doesn't
implement the compatability mode, which would mean it isn't a
winmodem, it just uses a standard not supported in FreeBSD.

So, have you verified that most modems just ignore the USB CDC specs,
or are you tagging modems that follow the spec but fail to implement
the AT part of it as "winmodems"?

As a final comment, the real evil of windmodems and winprinters is
that they force the CPU to do the hard work. The CPU has to figure out
where the ink goes on the page, and when to toggle the tone going to
the phone. While Intel encourages this, and it makes the hardware
cheaper, it's still leads to poor performance and reliability. I'd be
surprised if any USB modem did that - I don't think USB provides the
level of control required to do it. So by calling these things
winmodems, you're implying things about them that just aren't true.

	<mike
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