From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 13 09:07:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF7016A41F; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:07:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D081843D46; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:07:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.17]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4166B66E; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB7E12F34C; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from lofi.dyndns.org (dslb-084-061-133-171.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.133.171]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D715C81619; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from kiste.my.domain (root@kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jAD97cCh081759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from kiste.my.domain (lofi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kiste.my.domain (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAD97cQj014906; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by kiste.my.domain (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id jAD97a7E014905; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lofi@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kiste.my.domain: lofi set sender to lofi@freebsd.org using -f From: Michael Nottebrock To: Stijn Hoop Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <200511130038.jAD0cgLb043746@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200511130900.24801.lofi@freebsd.org> <20051113081633.GD69544@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> In-Reply-To: <20051113081633.GD69544@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> X-Face: =Ym$`&q\+S2X$4`X%x%6"L4>Y,$]<":'L%c9"#7#`2tb&E&wsN31on!N\)3BD[g<=?utf-8?q?=2EjnfV=5B=0A=093=23?=>XchLK,o; >bD>c:]^; :>0>vyZ.X[,63GW`&M>}nYnr]-Fp``,[[@lJ!QL|sfW!s)=?utf-8?q?A2!*=0A=09vNkB/=7CL-?=>&QdSbQg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: ports@freebsd.org, nork@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrated DEBUG related macros to WITH_DEBUG/WITHOUT_DEBUG X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:07:46 -0000 --nextPart23100702.K2XxiKni0Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 13. November 2005 09:16, Stijn Hoop wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:00:21AM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > I don't think it's a good idea at all to unify all debug knobs > > into one universal WITH/WITHOUT_DEBUG - it requires the user to use a > > third party portmanager utilitiy or fiddling with conditionals in > > make.conf if he wants debug symbols on specific ports only. > > Well that goes for the other knobs as well of course -- WITH_PERL, > WITH_PYTHON and other programming extension languages come to mind, as > do NOPORTDOCS and WITHOUT_GUI (there are some things that I don't need > a GUI for on my desktop). And people have expressed their unhappiness with that status quo repeatedly= ,=20 especially in the context of OPTIONS. One very promising proposed solution was to extend the OPTIONS framework to= =20 support NO_OPTIONS_ and WITH|WITHOUT__. I agree that this is the way to go - making the currently available switche= s=20 even more ambiguous just in order to get more content into KNOBS is=20 contraproductive. =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart23100702.K2XxiKni0Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDdwJXXhc68WspdLARAlhsAJoDxhtiufuyio0cGSP8llLvOPk0eQCffqYR 4h6IYIqLU2946WhVaDd2TUk= =b9Md -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart23100702.K2XxiKni0Q--