From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 12:30:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B802F32E34B for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic312-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic312-25.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jNW02lg1z4Wx0 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: sXzg7vIVM1kAUUrztFHlXevmHMdA3fjMJQJM7y786dW.YsLDOkyeEeEJ5sbaDVz VcLhsGVt0XygqZC5r8h_enbNrWBBQaS18smTmSvVYhDhGdroGZYypBgxcRY7MTcElCUwUrLFI13Q wk9EnHIdErJESaQkeItAoBte8BbNAsFD0wQUhNz1Ywu5_2Ucv_J1XxKk2i2yzfO5lktaz2W9hTRY meheh87xGFnvLnfObQpoWGlypwfbzeKEOvey115jW3EhgyXxvdsEk6WWUSjnIwuEtPKxJTFKsR_I WvSaOUx2fXLXsZ60ny9agm7lxM5L0ukPLXMjxUSb_vdj0EdChfJdYmgILRUIEm4Tgx9OLprhLXjZ .m8yjmdgv4a0_To9N4z5d7GGILp_9VZDehKcNftNIa5HygdBp.7S9k7S68BcVH5vXO0Wjv81KBqM ckKJtYIkjCZc3.5kQC6gO0WIyfKF2GYlsd4pUaET2Ul4KqSXregxBZDr_cTAUwE9KKxahLcRb74J erT1ewbFOTd3kMK0SrcbRQdES1C3zyhvdihvy4unxrGkkdx1idSPUos4PJRNVAAbLQrv6xhEpi.A w3KnNwfQ.isezH3UvJET8Sw.hVoIhpe2uVZjb0b14Aa5gmX3.NIPuU6k6Kt2JQzQAYy0.EuaSClV QBzF0hjGSKf1U.ChHX__TMzQZGdh6lWjFmJhG0tmj97ESAH3LDWPY10nbAEy.D_RwTY8mognJb_q jDpehjK89tAonfqi_y9qIzpNDbWS_3SUyMa8RW6oOrRN7U_0L859O8OSXIGGU4BZ9j0nM3XPMnaJ pDDHZX5yLA_73ls_8WHcm1vwJ9sX6a.GbUH_4jj02qp_FTDLfNuklrHFE2mo47unXmExsvjklrcz D9P2uyk9Iw9_uDd7gDqp.LGYWhwWERAMwEMmisygRwImGjwyyVoPQWtn_ux4pyElXub6VJM8SnCN hPyqo0NhxTKiJ_dEu46ors51bsUPsvykJQyN3xt99F4N4zNF1IHsBIGb5ecF_MPBUxL8slu.z_8Y vE5cQamNFPvUzNswienqfBF6pw8BGOPUIlHTw27L08pZgr_xw.giw_A.AVECKSCAEi84TW436rnt hxmwPObxXu_vw10ZYISU4p2eTXeY4doyzclpBBSH1Akz2x7brGG_T4M4CTqXoSNSCI3RM8W3Tui. hs_7pUgZ4uYF1prPdnDJHxWNkUcZDGv6kJOWjBn4wD9vqxm2nlXnf..P969EcZxqlLgIn_GnMWms uvlkJs5TZsNHtmyGBtkz9sP7H_dB8rMBpYshaVSJmJNHfjVknTv123nStr21GAJTjFqCpMvDbScS WpeEL4OdePvMLz4JKjwdfg7pgeWskOuMndhWkypau3cQ9sESgaX.niTYnoqFIzX5qrAWBhLoZYDo 11koKaPsJ Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:30:49 +0000 Received: by smtp425.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b69a14f9a890c71fc574f5762572e8de; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:30:46 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <20200611143046.2f97b54a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611112418.0bb0c896b685c84ed8d6a8f6@sohara.org> <20200611135639.0c07500e@archlinux> <36a71c5c-ccf0-d28d-c6c1-1d9c80873a12@yuripv.dev> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jNW02lg1z4Wx0 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.24 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; SEM_URIBL_FRESH15(3.00)[yuripv.dev:email]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[rocketmail.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.204]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.938]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.992]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[77.238.178.96:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[77.238.178.96:from]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:30:54 -0000 On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:15:04 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 8:03 AM Yuri Pankov wrote: > >> Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >> > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 06:49:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> As to the comment of how common top posting is or not almost >> >> every web based MUA defaults to it >> > >> > Could you mention a few FLOSS BSD or Linux MUAs that by default >> > sets the cursor above the quoted text? >> >> FWIW, Thunderbird does that by default in new accounts, you have to >> configure it to do otherwise. > >So does every other GUI/web MUA. I don't know why it is so hard for >the FreeBSD community to get that conventions have changed (for better >or worse I don't know but they have). I have even had people complain >about not top-posting because "I can't find your reply" and thus >almost the entire world (except for a few technical mailing lists) >either accepts or encourages top-posting. I seriously doubt that there are a lot GUI or TUI MUAs available for BSD or Linux that do that by default. Just mentioning one, Thunderbird and then claiming every other does, too, is weak. I'm not aware of one. Evolution doesn't, Sylpheed doesn't, Claws-Mail doesn't. IIRC KMail and Wanderlust didn't when I used them. Probably no other does, I just mentioned those I'm still using or I used a while back.