From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 4 11:41:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252FC16A4B3 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5302543FEA for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 1A18311F1A8; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:41:33 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031004184133.GB61680@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20030930034849.GA46581@scylla.towardex.com> <20031003233557.50553.qmail@cally.queue.to> <20031004112945.67756.qmail@cally.queue.to> <20031004165932.94381.qmail@cally.queue.to> <6.0.0.22.0.20031004131055.059275a0@209.112.4.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031004131055.059275a0@209.112.4.2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: plateful of crow (was Re: Frequent reboots...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:41:39 -0000 On Sat, Oct 04, 2003, Mike Tancsa wrote: ... >'plate o crow' like humble pie are very common dishes. I have had many a >helping myself..... Problems of this variety are really crappy. Its soooo >much easier when hardware just fails. Marginal power supplies I find are >the worst. I find that enabling core dumps help. If the crash is in a >different and seemingly random place each time, I will look at hardware >issues quicker. In my experience, a huge percentage of hardware problems trace back to bad fans, particularly those in the power supplies. This is particularly true in the cheap commodity boxes where cost is more important than quality. PC Power and Cooling is on our speed dial. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``... because most politicians and bureaucrats are technological idiots, it's going to be crucial for the rank and file members of the IT community to find its collective voice soon.'' --Michael Vizard, InfoWorld Editor in Chief.