From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 16 09:08:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF0416A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub2.midco.net (mailhub2.midco.net [24.220.0.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A59743D48 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pmes@bis.midco.net) Received: (qmail 14636 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2004 18:08:39 -0000 Received: from host-195-219-220-24.midco.net (HELO bis.midco.net) ([24.220.219.195]) (envelope-sender ) by lvs-pop.midco.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Mar 2004 18:08:39 -0000 Message-ID: <40573496.40904@bis.midco.net> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:08:38 -0600 From: Peter Schultz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7a) Gecko/20040308 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gary W. Swearingen" References: <7dd67dbgwa.67d@mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <7dd67dbgwa.67d@mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Mark Linimon cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To the Armchair Directors X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:08:40 -0000 Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >>Having said all that, let's consider the original point that >>Peter was trying to address. > > > Yes, let's. > > To paraphrase: Users should not bother developers with comments on > FreeBSD development. Users don't deserve to be heard and developers > don't need the comments anyway. Users who violate this rule should be > given a good flaming about pissing off programmers and making unworthy > demands and with a patronizing analogy about diners and chefs. > Here's the reality of our situation: users that knowledgeably address issues will be received more than warmly by the programmers. Users that make short useless posts about what they see as shortcomings, when in fact they have no idea what they're talking about, or even if they do know, but have not taken the time to thoroughly explain themselves, stand to get themselves flamed. This is simply factual information I'm providing based on my experience. Nowhere did I mention the ethics of this. Besides, discussion of the philosophical aspects of the situation will not turn those with sharp tongues into peace loving flower children. Creating new lists will not change their perspective of and reactions to the world around them. Pete...