From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 14:49:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF4437B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.gnf.org (ns2.gnf.org [63.196.132.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFEC43FA3 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org (exch01.lj.gnf.org [172.25.10.19]) by ns2.gnf.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h52LnsRo033006 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from roark.gnf.org ([172.25.24.15]) by EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:57 -0700 Received: from roark.gnf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h52LnvjX022584; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: (from gtetlow@localhost) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h52Lnurm022583; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:49:56 -0700 From: Gordon Tetlow To: Matthew Dillon Message-ID: <20030602214956.GG87863@roark.gnf.org> References: <20030602171942.GA87863@roark.gnf.org> <20030602202947.GE87863@roark.gnf.org> <200306022125.h52LPhhc002291@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7raWMR16iNBCoLkx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306022125.h52LPhhc002291@apollo.backplane.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2003 21:49:57.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8D4D290:01C32950] cc: arch@freebsd.org cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: Making a dynamically-linked root X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:49:59 -0000 --7raWMR16iNBCoLkx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 02:25:43PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: >=20 > In anycase, this is a convenience vs performance issue. I think a nu= mber > of solutions should be investigated before people give up and start= =20 > hacking dynamic vs static binaries. For example, a lot of startup de= lay > is due to disk waiting (since nothing is in the disk cache at system > start!). Running certain daemon startups in the background might yie= ld > a significant overall improvement in startup times. =20 Actually, it was a diskless boot, so it was in the system cache. =3D) I know this is a rigged demo, but the point is the same, yes, it's slower, but we also have a huge gain from going to a dynamically linked world. It would also serve as encouragement to get things like pre-binding and caching working. -gordon --7raWMR16iNBCoLkx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+28aERu2t9DV9ZfsRAo1KAJ9v90bPH4IAwoAczvpcY9GQ63MvfwCgmtp1 Uq/Rohdl1Vl/QLjFWbpVA1o= =aM2N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7raWMR16iNBCoLkx--