From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 9 03:29:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53913106566C for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FD78FC20 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 03:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo109.cox.net ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111109032916.LJOM3765.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109.cox.net>; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:29:16 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.236]) by eastrmimpo109.cox.net with bizsmtp id urVF1h00E55wwzE02rVFzn; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:29:15 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EB9F38B.00EA,ss=2,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=n8j2qrTChidZYK+driZvPGNPpB1vlUiTfZeEYAw05jg= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:17 a=Fa5_YPFaAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=dUMXXrLd_vK-sQjsCGAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=2mYow5eUDuQA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=uAbGmPAyUfLL1M3oYAsfuA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pA93TEmE016775; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:29:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:29:09 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20111108212909.4549a29d@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <55A813557C42D92761C1B590@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> References: <20111108184236.3a78ebf6@cox.net> <201111090117.pA91HRDo065662@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20111108195804.6dfa47c8@cox.net> <55A813557C42D92761C1B590@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: DStaal@usa.net Subject: Re: "Unprintable" 8-bit characters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:29:22 -0000 On Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:27:16 -0400 Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of November 8, 2011 7:58:04 PM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier is > alleged to have said: >=20 > > So, what would be the safest bet as far as the most "universal" > > representation for these characters? Something I've long wondered > > about when I've e-mailed people and copied/pasted these characters > > (are they really seeing what I'm seeing?). :-) >=20 > --As for the rest, it is mine. >=20 > These days, the safest bet is UTF-8, or some other Unicode character > set, in something that can convey what character set it is in. > (Email can, depending on the mail client.) >=20 > Not that Unicode is universal yet, but it designed to be (and is,=20 > generally) a solution to the 'multiple character encodings' problem. > (By, of course, defining a new encoding.) It has a decent amount of > traction, and in a decade or so - once other options have been firmly > depreciated - I'd expect we could start discussing whether to switch > ls to using it by default. ;) >=20 > All this is of course if you *must* go beyond 7-bit ASCII. (Which > all forms of Unicode is designed to be a strict superset of.) That sounds sane and sensible. :-) I've adjusted my environment to include: export LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8 export LC_ALL=3Den_US.UTF-8 And also adjusted my console configuration to display these characters: font8x14=3D"iso-8x14" font8x16=3D"iso-8x16" font8x8=3D"iso-8x8" And, last but not least, aliased "ls" to ensure these characters will actually be displayed: alias ls=3D'ls -Fw' Looking good here now: conrads:~$ cd "Music/Progressive Rock/Yes/The Yes Album" conrads:~/Music/Progressive Rock/Yes/The Yes Album$ ls *03* Yes - The Yes Album - 03 - Starship Trooper: a. Life Seeker - b. Disillusion - c. W=FCrm.mp3 Many thanks to everyone for all the very helpful, useful information. --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net