From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 2 16:20:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from c006.sfo.cp.net (c003-h004.c003.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC62637B479 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 7632 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2000 16:20:08 -0800 Received: from porton.webhostix.com (HELO maquina) (148.245.81.248) by smtp.avantel.net (209.228.32.218) with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 16:20:08 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Nov 2000 00:20:08 GMT From: "Ignacio Cristerna" To: "Jordan Hubbard" , "Bob Martin" Cc: Subject: RE: About introducing newbies to FreeBSD Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:19:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <25170.973194470@winston.osd.bsdi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jesus, Jordan, why do you always have to take it personally. We all want FreeBSD to be the premier Open-Source Unix and I think this discussion will lead to a better understanding of the reasons for the way some "features" work. I think we would be better off if we didnīt consider the point being brought up here as an attack. Have fun. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jordan Hubbard Sent: Jueves, 02 de Noviembre de 2000 13:48 To: Bob Martin Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About introducing newbies to FreeBSD > First, I would like to clarify that I personally like sysinstall just > the way it is. But from most accounts, it's alienating to people coming > from a Windows or Linux background. > [recap of discussion from 1993 elided] I'm not just being snide here, we really have had this very same discussion (and in almost the same words) on and off for the last 7 years now. It's hardly rocket science to envision an installer which has one big button on it which even your grandmother could push, the question always boiling down to "Who the heck is going to write this thing then?" That's generally where the discussion stops. Every man and his dog can describe an installer which follows in the footsteps of Windows, Solaris or even OS X now that we have its installer to look at since imitation is a pretty straight-forward design challenge. As I first said back in 1993, "who will step up to the plate and create this alternative installer so that we can evaluate its merits and possibly even make it the default?" I'm still waiting for an answer to that question, 7 years later. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message