From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 13:24:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153C316A4DA for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tg@66h.42h.de) Received: from hephaistos.unixforge.de (unixforge.de [85.214.23.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541B643D4C for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:24:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tg@66h.42h.de) Received: from herc.66h.42h.de (herc.vpn.gecko.ig3.net [192.168.100.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "herc.66h.42h.de", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by hephaistos.unixforge.de (Sendmail) with ESMTP id 03C56140D8; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from odem.66h.42h.de (root@odem.mirbsd.org [IPv6:2001:6f8:94d:4:2c0:9fff:fe1a:6a01]) by herc.66h.42h.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7VDNZ5d001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:23:36 GMT Received: from odem.66h.42h.de (tg@localhost.66h.42h.de [IPv6:::1]) by odem.66h.42h.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7VDNYrP024404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:23:34 GMT Received: (from tg@localhost) by odem.66h.42h.de (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k7VDNRN3014544; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:23:27 GMT Received: by S/MIME Plugin for MirBSD 9 Kv#9s81-stable-20060819 i386; Thu Aug 31 13:23:26 UTC 2006 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:23:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Thorsten Glaser X-X-Sender: tg@odem.66h.42h.de To: netbsd-users@netbsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> <98f5a8830608301731s2b0663e3g94b0bd32f8a06a78@mail.gmail.com> X-Message-Flag: Your mailer is broken. Get an update at http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/pcpine.html for free. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: miros-discuss@mirbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:24:11 -0000 Benny Siegert dixit: > A very pessimistic article but well worth a read: > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-users/2006/08/30/0016.html You could've just replied to it so that the References: header can be perused. I've changed this mail to reply to it for threading. Charles M. Hannum dixit: >Much of this early structure (CVS, web site, cabal, etc.) was copied >verbatim by other open source (this term not being in wide use yet) >projects -- even the form of the project name and the term "core". This >later became a kind of standard template for starting up an open source >project. > >Unfortunately, we made some mistakes here. As we've seen over the >years, one of the great successes of Linux was that it had a strong >leader, who set goals and directions, and was able to get people to do >what he wanted -- or find someone else to do it. On the other hand, the "bazaar" model of Linux leads to bad code and no well-defined APIs. While it's true that the "core-team" model _might_ benefit from a strong leadership, care should be taken to avoid Linux' "success" because it'll be its failure soon enough. (I mean, hey, 5 new kernels in 2 days, wtf?) Nick Guenther dixit: > Um. Wow. I think Theo wins. OpenBSD has had MicroBSD forked off twice, MirOS and ekkoBSD too. Travers Buda dixit: > As for Charles M. Hannum: fork! I don't think so, as long as he can improve the inner status of the NetBSD project. Forking is the solution if you're outside, want to improve and are ignored, or, if you're inside but don't see your interesting new ideas being accepted well or fitting within the project's overall policy (DragonFly). Andy Ball dixit: > suspend and resume work on my laptop. I know that work is being done = =20 > on PowerNow! for AMD K6-2+, Athlon etc. Incidentally, Martin V=E9giard's PowerNow work showed up in OpenBSD and FreeBSD=AE first, in NetBSD=AE last. @OpenBSD people: I did leave this mailing list, I'm just keeping the Cc: list. bye, //mirabile --=20 I believe no one can invent an algorithm. One just happens to hit upon it when God enlightens him. Or only God invents algorithms, we merely copy the= m. If you don't believe in God, just consider God as Nature if you won't deny existence.=09=09-- Coywolf Qi Hunt