From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sun Jan 1 21:05:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAC8C9BAF2 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abi@abinet.ru) Received: from mail.abinet.ru (mail.abinet.ru [136.243.72.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75E51EF2 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abi@abinet.ru) Received: from [10.0.1.1] (unknown [10.0.1.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.abinet.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CD273495B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:05:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=abinet.ru; s=dkim; t=1483304751; bh=BtpN6DR3GYKd9jXxzNKwf/ruCo8DitBMLqZZ5d2Pvvk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=I+GnHxnFpbW2drEuyDxZTo4pSDJ/Ym3pnqehjrxAWKacX5+Zrui4G/oRYUkBT44EC oNHjlC0gYBqb/MZmXgvVRKy0+kNu7EYNIPxM6oAnsMv3E7b4YyWE00onIphm6sN1M4 Sckq+ArCb+0IWGRhJme2HykIBzQJ/nUg1yp3QYN8= Message-ID: <58696F74.2000703@abinet.ru> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 00:07:00 +0300 From: abi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:25.8) Gecko/20151117 FossaMail/25.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20170101183653.2c85698a@rsbsd.rsb> <1595bce760d.c5a48b9473813.1749970069728099599@nextbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <1595bce760d.c5a48b9473813.1749970069728099599@nextbsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:05:53 -0000 On 01.01.2017 23:52, Matthew Macy wrote: > Evangelists != money. If some data center operator tomorrow said that they'd buy 2000 pascal cards, but they had to be supported by FreeBSD, Nvidia would support would appear shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, that is not likely to happen. > It would be better if Nvidia drops support of FreeBSD. I remember we had nouveau in 7.x (2010 ?) but nvidia driver killed it. And it continue to haunt graphics subsystem, killing the enthusiasm to port amd or intel drivers. BSDs without access to nvidia blob are ahead of us even if they have much less manpower.