From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 16 07:11:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0B416A4CE for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:11:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outside.taborandtashell.net (sub18-33.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.18.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B134A43D1D for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:11:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net) Received: (qmail 62715 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 23:11:47 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.9?) (tkelly@192.168.0.9) by 192.168.0.2 with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 23:11:47 -0800 Message-ID: <41EA13B3.8010708@taborandtashell.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:11:47 -0800 From: Tabor Kelly User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lyn Robie References: <000601c4fb96$79575810$640aa8c0@XPH01> In-Reply-To: <000601c4fb96$79575810$640aa8c0@XPH01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 5.3 Install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:11:49 -0000 Lyn Robie wrote: > Rarely have I found such an amateurish installation procedure. It's obv- > ious you guys are hard put to find anyone competent in the user > nterfaces. And after such snobbishly rave reviews for FreeBSD on the > web I was expecting better. I installed on an HP533 I386 with the X > Developer package and then discover that the kernel doesn't include > the drivers needed for the Intel 845 graphics chip. Ahem. Not exactly the > rarest beast in the jungle. It's perfectly clear to me that you guys > are not into winning converts from the Linux camp. I suppose you can draw > some cold comfort from knowing your distro installation is so obscure > and bugridden that no one outside of the few grizzled old graybeard unix > administrators will be able to make a system run. 1. Please break your lines around 72 characters. 2. I am using an i845 as I type to compose this message. 3. There is no "kernel driver" for the i845, I assume you want X? 4. X lives in user land, not kernel land, and the i845 is well supported by both XFree86 4.4.0 and XOrg 6.8.1 (as well as XOrg 6.7.0 for that matter). 5. FreeBSD is focused more at servers than desktops, as suck "we" aren't trying to win over the Linux crowd. 6. I am running FreeBSD on my Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop because I have found it more stable and secure than Linux or Windows. Also, I prefer the port system to the packages systems found on most Linux distros (I came from Debian). -- Tabor Kelly tkelly-freebsd-questions@taborandtashell.net http://tabor.taborandtashell.net