From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 6 7:59:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE2737B400 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E360543E72 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from george.reid1@ntlworld.com) Received: from sobek.lan ([80.6.30.227]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020906145918.FWQZ13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@sobek.lan>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:59:18 +0100 Received: (from greid@localhost) by sobek.lan (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86ExJI06372; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:59:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from george.reid1@ntlworld.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sobek.lan: greid set sender to george.reid1@ntlworld.com using -f Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:59:19 +0100 From: George Reid To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: Joshua Lee , dave@jetcafe.org, tlambert2@mindspring.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020906155919.A6312@FreeBSD.org> References: <20020906013554.A42842@FreeBSD.org> <20020905211353.W92353-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020905211353.W92353-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>; from nwestfal@directvinternet.com on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:37:56PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:37:56PM -0700, Neal E. Westfall wrote: [...] > 2) The litany of passages you offered as personally objectionable > to you indicate that you are hardly an unbiased interpreter. > Why you would poison your own well like that before making your > controversial claims, one can only speculate. [...] On the contrary, it is your well that I'm poisoning. If you are going to cite passages from the Bible in support of your arguments, you'll have to explain to us why it is that you don't adhere to all of the laws written in Leviticus et al. Additionally, what makes you think I find them personally objectionable? Perhaps you are emotionally involved in the argument; I am not. At no point did I say that I agreed or disagreed with any of the statements. Perhaps I do believe that homosexuality is a greater abomination than eating shellfish or that slaves from neighbouring nations are acceptable. My personal beliefs are not important. [...] > 5) If you think you have a case, please present your arguments, > instead of making grandiose assertions with little to back > it up besides your claim to know Hebrew and Greek. If that > is the case, present your arguments so that they can be > scrutinized. You'll have to excuse me for not just taking > your word for it. [...] Further to this you wrote in an earlier post, and I quote: > Do you think that Christians just made up the doctrine of hell? Where > do you think it came from? Did it not come from the lips of Christ > himself, who claimed to be your Messiah? Hence the original postulate that hell is real (with little to back it up) was brought up by none other than yourself. It is your claim to argue. My response to you was an attempt to solicit such an argument so that I can supply you with a counterargument. If I had the time I would sit here all day and write you a small book on the inaccuracies, contradictions, malicious mistranslations and other such errors which riddle the teaching of the doctrine of hell. Unfortunately this is not a luxury that I possess. You substantitate your claim that hell is real and I'll do my best to refute that claim. Perhaps we'll both learn something from it. -- George C A Reid WWW: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~greid/ Mob: (07740) 197460 FreeBSD Committer/Developer greid@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message