Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:58:23 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl> To: R Paschal <rpsbsd@home.com> Cc: Nils Holland <nils@tisys.org>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE announcement ? Message-ID: <20011227135823.B17992@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011226172225.00959530@mail.tucson1.az.home.com>; from rpsbsd@home.com on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:22:25PM %2B0000 References: <3.0.5.32.20011226064544.0095fa00@mail.tucson1.az.home.com> <20011225205928.C29819@freeway.dcfinc.com> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1011225232733.39578I-100000@fledge.watson.o <3.0.5.32.20011226064544.0095fa00@mail.tucson1.az.home.com> <20011226162135.A2481@tisys.org> <3.0.5.32.20011226172225.00959530@mail.tucson1.az.home.com>
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 05:22:25PM +0000, R Paschal wrote: > At 04:21 PM 12/26/01 +0100, Nils Holland wrote: > >On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 06:45:44AM +0000, R Paschal stood up and spoke: > >> > >> Can the general project release announcements be posted into the newsgroup > >> comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce? The only thing that I've seen posted there > >> for a long time is the new ports added/updated by Wolfram Schneider. > > > >I guess the official announcement place is the -announce mailing list, and > >indeed, I guess mailing lists have a few advantages over newsgroups. I > >guess it really shouldn't be a problem for people who want to be informated > >about new releases to subscribe to that mailing list. On the other hand, > >it surely wouldn't hurt to forward announcements to the newsgroup, > >although I would suggest anybody who's serious about this to subscribe to > >the mailing list. > > >From personal experience, I see one major problem with that. > > There are a lot of people using ISPs with, for what-ever reason, > misconfigured mail servers. There's not anything they can do about it, > either. > > I know, because I was in that position from Dec. 11, 2000, to mid Aug. 19, > 2001. The ISP I used, ultrasw.com, mapped all their clients mail to one IP > address. When a reverse DNS lookup was done on the IP address, the name > returned was the alphabetically first in the list. But not anymore! > > They now support no reverse lookups. You can try it yourself if you don't > believe it. Do a whois or nslookup on ultrasw.com and then do a reverse > DNS lookup on their DNS server, ns1.ultrasw.com, 204.17.51.1. Then look up > their mail server, mail.ultrasw.com and get its IP, 66.181.240.7 and do a > reverse DNS lookup on it. You can ping them. You can find them at > www.ultrasw.com and see what business they're in. > > Can anybody on that ISP subscribe, post questions, or submit PRs? I don't > think so. They can, however read the newsgroups. They can do something else as well: find an ISP who has a clue. > What do you suppose they think of the mailing list anti-spam policies, > especially after visiting > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html, > which makes no mention of this policy, and they get a cryptic response from > freebsd.org? BTW, from what I saw in questions the last few months, that > policy doesn't do much to stop spam. The FreeBSD postmaster would disagree on that statement I'm sure. -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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