From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 06:40:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984C837B404 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF3E43F75 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (munk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3GDhEJ0052192 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:43:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h3GDhDnT052191 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:43:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:43:13 +0100 From: Jez Hancock To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030416134313.GA51960@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20030412141313.GB58220@wjv.com> <20030412153736.GA53356@users.munk.nu> <20030412184738.GA52650@wjv.com> <20030414155256.GA1608@users.munk.nu> <20030415033802.GB36985@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20030415033802.GB36985@wjv.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Serial line fbsd installation with no CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:40:47 -0000 Hi, On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 11:38:02PM -0400, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > To be honest I feel that this is synonymous to the setup of our NOC. > > I'm actually only a 'coadmin' - in the sense that I do not talk > > to the network op centre, my 'admin' 'boss' does (lots of 's). > > Hm. We're small - but dedicated - and we both worked in highly > time sensitive businesses - the broadcast industry - so we know the > value of down time. > > However even though we are small we have rack-space in the Level3 > facility in Orlando. We got it when it first came up and before > they put the current minimum useage in place. Our customers - few > as they are - love us. Sounds like a decent setup - we're investigating alternative hosting at the moment, found a disturbing ammount of unswitched udp traffic whilst looking at trafshow output - seems to be from a number of halflife gaming servers on the same subnet as our servers. At first I thought we were being used as a relay by a logging bot one of the users was using, but on further inspection it just looks like broadcast traffic. Another reason to move :) > > It's incredibly frustrating that the cost of colocation in the UK > > (where I am) and in AUS (where my friend is) is so high and as > > such we have to colocate in US where bandwidth is much more reasonably > > priced. > > And could you give an example of what those costs are? I'm curious > as to the rates around the world. Well I did some minimal research (can anyone in the UK pass me some bookmarks!?!), and I found: http://www.donhost.co.uk/ ( http://www.donhost.co.uk/products/dedicatedunix.html ) from £90-380GBP 1Gb tx included, £10GBP per extra 1Gb tx I've just done a quick grep of my uk.freebsd.org mbox from 2002 and found this: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/prices-colo.shtml Colocation One off setup fee £100 Regular colo £50/month OR £500/year 1U, 10GB traffic/month Extra traffic £5/GB/month Low Bandwidth Colo £360/year (note only payable yearly) 1U, 5GB traffic/month Extra traffic £5/GB/month High Bandwidth Colo £150/month OR £1700/year 2U, 80GB traffic/month Extra traffic £2/GB/month Cost per extra U used £15/month One off fee for serial console access £50 Dedicated server Minimum spec: Celeron 1.2GHz, 80GB HD, 256MB RAM £100/month OR £1000/year One off dedicated server setup fee £200 Includes serial console which sounds very decent. Actually very happy I found that one, I might mail them :) > > Yikes that's some pipe. > > It's a communications facility and now that the bloom is off the > dot.com boom of a few years ago so much they sell is dark fibre. > I asked a tech installing equipment in a cage behind our rack how > much it was worth. Her comment was "I'm not sure but the one > almost like it in Miami cost $14,000,000" OC192 equipment is not > cheap. The backup generator is a 1,250,000W monster behind the > building - with a 6000 gallon tank of diesel fuei. I've seen many > colos but never one like L3. lol - if they ever need to leave planet earth quickly, you just need a match eh? All the best, Jez