From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 16:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4495A16A417 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F00643D5C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:16:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A69C6.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.105.198]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8FGG0h8066597 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:16:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FGG4q7005171 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:16:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8FGG23C065997 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:16:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200609151616.k8FGG23C065997@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <450AA29D.9000700@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <20060909182831.GA32004@FS.denninger.net> <200609100159.k8A1xAIn089481@drugs.dv.isc.org> <450AA29D.9000700@cs.tu-berlin.de> Comments: In-reply-to =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_K=F6nig?= message dated "Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:53 +0200." Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:16:02 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:16:06 -0000 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_K=F6nig?= wrote: > Jamie Bowden schrieb: > > On 9/9/06, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > >> > Yeah, -STABLE is what you should run if you want stable code, right? > >> No. STABLE means STABLE API. > >> If you want stable code you run releases. Between releases > >> stable can become unstable. Think of stable as permanent > >> BETA code. Changes have passed the first level of testing > >> in current which is permanent ALPHA code. > > No, this is what it means now. [...] > Why do you say "No" if you mean "Yes, but in former times ..."? Stable is a misnomer that harms FreeBSD somewhat. A promoter of FreeBSD I know has long encouraged people to upgrade from release to stable. Some don't & won't realise Stable is Not necessarily Stable, & may get burnt. Much of the world speaks English only as a 2nd language. They won't benefit from the double trouble of foreign + weird BSD geek speak: "Stable isn't Stable ? Yes or No !" "It's stable, but it's OK to crash ? - I'll go Linux !" Imagine a boat labelled Stable: It sinks. The designers claim: "Tough! We left the Application Interface (routes to bars & toilets) stable, but changed other stuff. Hey ! Stable never meant Stable ! It'd be some work to eradicate the misnomer, but the name's perhaps less entrenched than one might guess, eg: ftp ftp.freebsd.org cd /pub/FreeBSD dir lrwxr-xr-x 1 ftpuser ftpusers 19 Mar 24 14:58 FreeBSD-stable -> branches/4.0-stable cd FreeBSD-stable 550 No such directory. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software