From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 12 15: 0:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7895637B400 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ABF43E6E for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0015.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.15] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17pc0N-0002ku-00; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:00:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3D810E25.237746C@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:59:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: "Neal E. Westfall" , Giorgos Keramidas , Joshua Lee , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? References: <200209122015.g8CKFE159747@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > > Life is a local increase in order, by definition. > > I don't know about that, I've seen the floor of a stock exchange or > a busy park with lots of kids. That doesn't look like order to me. The stock market is not alive, the people are. > >> ...using your particular arbitrary set of presumptions as > >> axioms. ;) > > > > Don't worry; my presumtions are a subset of nearly everyone's. > > Never mind that verifying this is close to impossible, would you > like to tell me just how you learned everyone's presumptions without > first making a bunch of your own? ;) I didn't make a generalization, so your statement is incorrect. Note the use of "nearly". > > It makes me incredibly tolerant, > > This is wrong by observation. You aren't tolerant of trolls. A > truly incredible tolerant person would be. QED. |) I haven't hunted them down and dealt with them. I think that it demonstrates incredible tolerance, to not act when one can. > > and much easier to convince by way of logical argument. > > Oh I doubt that highly. How would you know, since you haven't really tried any? > > Even if, like you, you pretend to irrationality to try and expand > > the set of allowable behaviours as a governance of our own internal > > rules. > > I don't pretend to it. I know it, and it's inverse. I use whichever > one is appropriate at the time. You act like Gregory Benford's "Changeling" character in the book "Find The Changeling". His portrayal of that character was juvenile, in that the character was supposed to be asocial, but ended up being nothing more than merely contrarian. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message