From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Dec 6 01:57:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246AE8B56F; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:57:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [IPv6:2001:19f0:300:2185:a:dead:bad:faff]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD75C7D6E5; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [104.207.135.49]) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vB61v9wr013842; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:57:09 GMT (envelope-from jamie@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id vB61v9E3013835; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:57:09 GMT (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <201712060157.vB61v9E3013835@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 01:57:09 +0000 Organization: Dyslexic Fish To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, benno@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conclusion of fortune(6) discussion References: <1512509473.1313677.1195210352.2DC7580C@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1512509473.1313677.1195210352.2DC7580C@webmail.messagingengine.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 01:57:11 -0000 Benno Rice wrote: > Firstly, there were a number of suggestions that removing fortune et al > from base is some form of complete deletion. It’s not. It’s merely that > FreeBSD stops distributing it as part of our releases. The code is still > available in our Subversion history. That's hardly an argument - you could apply that to anything! Personally. I don't give a rats-arse either way about fortune(6), but agree with others who were uncomfortable that one person just decides to whip out a command that isn't causing problems or security issues without warning. I'm not even talking necessarily about discussions with us plebs; in my 20+ years of FreeBSD, whilst just about everything is discussed, I can't once remember one person just arbitarily removing a command without warning like that. And, you seem to be agreeing about discussion and announcements, Here: > Nothing in what I was proposing precluded creating a port. and here: > Which brings me to point number two: My discussion was about base, not > ports. and here: > There should absolutely be a > discussion whenever anyone proposes moving code out of base and that But then you wrote: > And my final point: This was never about political correctness. I am not > apologizing for making this move without discussion as any discussion So, you say things should be discussed, yet you're not apologising for the fact you made the move without discussion, which sounds like you just broke your own guidelines. Cheers, Jamie