From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 3 19:07:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E925ED0F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x236.google.com (mail-lb0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 625D3A10 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbiz12 with SMTP id z12so11383719lbi.12 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 11:07:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QSrbWR9fPUWrL9suYJ/SUtCLqcSz+t7qxEmpMxmpe3A=; b=n5zE3Mf6RMdwDhjwSEFjCfgWs3DZilF+BOOvZHt2RbVXkt0DK2rcPyLfTx3ks87gvA F/njGc6+yjv7exg9CPE6ZxLnZ64Bsi/wEr5crBgWdeA9vLX9+yJ6l5nke/X1Ry+y/1Ct svnt2Rjt5rQTMxOF7cTni4Sv7Dvh1ov+dMmFXmAm+EJF8FCZRK0nPv0E2lA7vCrujFbb pMlQumw3wY2XhmSgbNf0BHjPkahEI3mH59EnpaQUd69WzupGfUwYpEsMpHaIzRsEywG3 ejZlM7lpF9l5Odct6+IGhHbs608wgJnn+RbGkM7uOXP3Qg8bzlX2PBb2Jd49sEYHcYc/ 8Q+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.6 with SMTP id o6mr238139lao.59.1425409640945; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: chmeeedalf@gmail.com Received: by 10.25.145.65 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Mar 2015 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <93307065-F026-42DE-A2D2-3843619BAD1A@mu.org> References: <54F34B6E.2040809@astrodoggroup.com> <54F35F29.4000603@astrodoggroup.com> <54F429EF.5050400@freebsd.org> <54F46536.8040607@mu.org> <54F4C03F.7030704@freebsd.org> <54F4FECB.90501@freebsd.org> <197AA5DC-0591-4F71-BF10-51A5D8104C11@mu.org> <54F5270D.1010009@freebsd.org> <20150303173223.GQ95752@strugglingcoder.info> <93307065-F026-42DE-A2D2-3843619BAD1A@mu.org> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 11:07:20 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bHY44UKm8AHmQuOR1vQcUTEugGY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Massive libxo-zation that breaks everything From: Justin Hibbits To: Alfred Perlstein Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Harrison Grundy , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , hiren panchasara X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 19:07:24 -0000 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 3, 2015, at 9:32 AM, hiren panchasara wrote: >> >>> On 03/02/15 at 07:33P, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>> Actually I want to shame third party ports into adopting libxo (or at least providing machine readable output). >>> >>> I know it's scary to try to lead the pack, after all we could be wrong, but maybe it's time to try something new and see what happens. >>> >>> And no, your idea doesn't make sense it just will lead to those files bit rotting. >>> >>> Bedsides that you don't even have a real spec other than "it should be done differently". >>> >>> Again, show the code. >> >> Wow. He told you want he didn't like and he moved on. I hope/wish we as >> a project can take criticism more positively than this. >> >> Answer to every criticism should not be "show me your code". We (should) >> know better than that. > > Maybe I am too old school but the motd on freefall is still "now shut up and code". I still believe that's right. > > We ALL need to know when to step back from an issue we really do not have the bandwidth to constructively contribute to. > > This doesn't mean ideas or concerns aren't valid, but that unless you truly have the bandwidth to contribute, taking a step back is a good idea. > > -Alfred. You're both right. Maybe we need a hackathon on this. Is BSDCan too late? - Justin