From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Sep 30 11:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17953 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17948 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14837; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199809301819.MAA14837@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Karl Denninger cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Long IDE probes? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:58:58 CDT." <19980930125858.B4304@Denninger.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:13:04 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >The default was recently increased (read: made longer) - like doubled. The delay in the generic kernel has always been 15 seconds. The default with no delay specified has always been 2 seconds. CAM effectively reduces this delay over the old SCSI code as all bus delays during the initial prove phase occur in parallel. >I *KNOW* that things like Exabytes "go away" for short periods of time >after a bus reset. But we're talking about *defaults* here, and modern >disks and tape drives, while they may kvetch internally for a while before >they'll generally be useful, but virtually all will respond to an inquiry >within 3-5 seconds - maximum. Not everyone who uses FreeBSD has "modern devices". Not everyone who uses FreeBSD knows that their devices will only work with a longish delay. Are you saying that we should lose the ability to install on these machines simply because you, a user that knows how to modify this behavior, finds the default behavior annoying? -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message