From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Jun 1 14:40:38 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DB0B60059 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eric@metricspace.net) Received: from mail.metricspace.net (mail.metricspace.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:617::107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527321A5C; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eric@metricspace.net) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:617:8fe:6a13:797b:e9c9] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:617:8fe:6a13:797b:e9c9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric) by mail.metricspace.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AFEA11F05; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC) References: <519CC1FC-84DF-4710-8E62-AF26D8AED2CF@metricspace.net> <20160528083656.GT38613@kib.kiev.ua> <20160528172618.GB38613@kib.kiev.ua> <6A9DADE0-B214-424A-BB14-0B0848F0D08D@metricspace.net> <20160529091827.GD38613@kib.kiev.ua> <46B3F9E2-A25B-4F9D-B35F-11AC782495B1@metricspace.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Cc: Konstantin Belousov , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Allan Jude X-Mailer: iPad Mail (13D15) From: Eric McCorkle Subject: Re: EFI GELI support ready for testers Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:40:37 -0400 To: Wojciech Puchar X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:40:38 -0000 On Jun 1, 2016, at 10:29, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> It's undesirable because the whole point of ZFS is to have one ZFS volume= for the whole system. > This sounds more like a religious dogma than anything else. >=20 > what if i run single disk (or mirrored 2 disk) system, no ZFS but i want e= verything encrypted by GELI and want only ona partition? So do it. I don't see the problem. > Will you write special bootloader that would be hidden unencrypted on geli= volume? No, the boot block lives either on the ESP or the boot sector. Same as it a= lways has. > Will you write 10000 special bootloaders to cope with 10000 cases of confi= guration FreeBSD admins want to have in the world? >=20 > Or maybe - in the future admins would not be allowed to decide and there w= ill be only one allowed storage configuration - ZFS volume occupying all dis= ks, with bootloader designed for that one case? These are just straw-man arguments, and nobody has suggested anything of the= sort.=