From nobody Mon Nov 28 17:18:23 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NLXHl2JVVz4jPnm for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laurent@nilio.ca) Received: from nilio.ca (nilio.ca [165.22.232.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4NLXHk294Wz40nR for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laurent@nilio.ca) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of laurent@nilio.ca has no SPF policy when checking 165.22.232.54) smtp.mailfrom=laurent@nilio.ca; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (modemcable167.247-179-173.mc.videotron.ca [173.179.247.167]) by nilio.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED7D18516D; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: FreeBSD financing From: Laurent Jean In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 12:18:23 -0500 Message-Id: References: To: Wojciech Puchar X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20A362) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.59 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:165.22.224.0/20, country:US]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nilio.ca]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NLXHk294Wz40nR X-Spamd-Bar: - X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Freedom is subjective. FreeBSD probably has no issue integrating LLVM into their OS because it sati= sfies their idea of freedom, the freedom to reuse the software any way you l= ike it. GCC=E2=80=99s idea of freedom is that any improvements to the software shoul= d be made available freely. This is fine for a project like FreeBSD, but it becomes a problem for the co= mpanies that use it, not just to Juniper. I don=E2=80=99t believe that FreeBSD did it for corporate pressure, but simp= ly because using LLVM is seen as an improvement in itself, to the distributi= on and its associated freedom. FreeBSD wouldn=E2=80=99t be very free if they *expected* donations for their= improvements, although donations likely have an impact on priorities of the= project. Laurent > Le 6 nov. 2022 =C3=A0 10:05, Wojciech Puchar a =C3=A9c= rit : >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >> @Wojciech GNU General Public License (GPLv2) is a free software license. Y= ou may be frustrated but GPL has consistently delivered ! > No. Free means free. Doesn't need any extra requirements