From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 25 06:53:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 452349B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 06:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB49B2ECD for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 06:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([87.139.233.65]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDi9C-1Vrwme0wxC-00HBHf for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:53:26 +0100 Message-ID: <5292F3F0.9020706@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 07:53:36 +0100 From: olli hauer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading Perl... Somebody just shoot me and put me out of my misery! References: <25503.1385152807@server1.tristatelogic.com> <201311231220.36687.Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si> <5292F0F5.6090203@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <5292F0F5.6090203@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:TYhokBA5J8rafewDM7Cx0vLFpmScdfsLHomGKQ8agq1ADTv5VOi gNgeR9djsOXhrHkwCgi5iOIiWMSGt+biUHuobRKEuQhiiAkMiQyRc0YOqhv2RaAEu1D0Oe/ ISLIarfhdWcZ/9dHAmm215SkH+UatRTpNYpz2lKsuVtvHbz3p16ohhdjiCx5YCWujjh6yhj UuX9C2Q2UstHPm6IG4hHg== Cc: Matthias Andree X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 06:53:34 -0000 On 2013-11-25 07:40, Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 23.11.2013 12:20, schrieb Mark Martinec: >> On Friday 22 November 2013 21:40:07 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>> Now, one last little thing... >>> >>> The note in the UPDATING file dated 20131120 gives essentially the same >>> instructions as the one dated 20131023, *however* it also contains this: >>> >>> 1) Change the option in lang/perl5.16: >>> make -C /usr/ports/lang/perl5.16 config >>> >>> HUH?? I don't understand this at all. What exactly is "the option" that >>> we are changing here? And what does it matter to anything? >>> >>> It would be Nice if this were entierly less opaque. >> >> $ man ports >> [...] >> config Configure OPTIONS for this port using dialog4ports(1). >> >>> And what does it matter to anything? >> >> Gives you a choice to re-think your existing/chosen port options. >> For example, a new default is now THREADS, but you may not like >> it, as it somewhat increases the memory usage and requires >> to rebuild all perl modules. > > Which shows an interesting facet of this whole tedious process: > > We're doing a lousy job of explaining the options to unsavvy users, and > we're also doing a lousy job of tracking options. Perhaps we should > just slash down the options and go more for "build the default" - it > also reduces testing complexity and would give for a more uniform ports > experience for everyone (packages use default options anyways). > > I would even go that far to propose killing some common options such as > NLS DOCS EXAMPLES and replace them by a "make globcalconfig" that sets > them system-wide through make.conf, so that we don't need to set/reset > them each and every time a port changes options, nor even offer them. > ${opt}_DESC is limited, but help/explanation can be given in pkg-help.