From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 13:36:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00459E86F14 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [46.251.251.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "0x20.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA3C864BB7 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 13:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from e.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [46.251.251.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06499AA049; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 14:36:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e.0x20.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB7DaBYk038462; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 14:36:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 14:36:11 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: THANK YOU for flavors! Message-ID: <20171207133611.GU19238@e.0x20.net> References: <1afffe5a-8882-6cd8-5c09-b0c93e28bec5@gmail.com> <98c8597a-1db1-b1f6-2aa3-4f09b9a52c59@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <98c8597a-1db1-b1f6-2aa3-4f09b9a52c59@columbus.rr.com> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 8.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:36:15 -0000 On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:51:15AM -0500, Baho Utot wrote: > > > On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote: > > Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim: > >> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say > >> thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to > >> try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my > >> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed. > >> > >> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non > > technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of > > flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not > > mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD. > > I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and > > understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi > > server envirement and on the desktop. > > The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine > > or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working > > anymore. > > Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without > > out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future > > updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to > > update there system. > > If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the > > channels. > > > > Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it > > is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD. > > So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes. > > If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And > > they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page. > > They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere > > update ports for all that matters. > > > > users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few days > ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a " > What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so > called folks in charge here for even asking. I think we all understood your point. Please come back if you have something new to say. Thank you! -- Lars