From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 15:22:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B20C37B401; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714CE43F85; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:22:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04009; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:22:07 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030205161539.028acab0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:22:04 -0700 To: Gordon Tetlow , Julian Elischer From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Cc: Wilko Bulte , Eugene Grosbein , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030205190345.GD42936@roark.gnf.org> References: <20030205171407.A15358@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:03 PM 2/5/2003, Gordon Tetlow wrote: >core has made their decision. When they were elected, you entrusted them >to make hard decisions like this. When *who* elected them? I certainly had no vote. Right now, -core is, in a very real sense, self-electing. They decide who gets a commit bit, and the people with the commit bits vote for -core. Sort of like the situation with George Bush and the US Supreme Court. A predecessor of the same party appointed the judges, who made Bush president out of partisan loyalty even though he lost the popular vote and the election results were irreparably tainted by illegally designed ballots. Much corporate malfeasance is due to a similar phenomenon: The CEO brings in Board members, who owe loyalty to the CEO due to the perks he grants them. In all of these cases we see failures of governance due to organizational design that does not properly anticipate vested interests and feedback loops related to them. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message