From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sun Oct 13 03:42:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94855DF1DA; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 03:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46rSFG1h84z4RSp; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 03:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A2B21F8A; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:42:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=samsco.org; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm1; bh=D QCI+/8gUrtOWBxVKALDJpWpBfvFzhtrAk351rk4GOw=; b=EAW/oB0AaYGXfgq2Z TjpddstPzaIHjZr/OlEYaspvyyT/tgz2Fbl0bY9d+vYIjypE7S/tzheqoHN+bLzt uOyqYJtq+YylVZxRcdlEwQxy1h/5jMFG2mVpuPdlwEGiYg97Wl287uWIseWhD7cc pI0N1V81wSH53M5i0Hg4oxqDSq+7D7L2FtYuQ56ubWlVPDryA7mNHiHnx9vFXmK0 XlXmEIkV9eSTrndi33L+sV23/W98pF1uIBuDNaAGBs36AjOD095NENsRsUw5zDWM echfK7XF6QXKpw7RwYQreEarE+pw5MCx/lkgZimnrJeNX/CfxFwuEta8S1ZdZh/Q 5Yj4g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=DQCI+/8gUrtOWBxVKALDJpWpBfvFzhtrAk351rk4G Ow=; b=qcF/9jIGUIkF91qP3LLjZDxnrBjY6qQjpicjeW+iSUYZ5cjxmYiKxP7cJ /YBblsXM/nrqYPis9djeQWc/LeE6SUoJDqd723ixYUDGbh+dgEd0W5SyOJ70RrgX ww3B7P/lPWp2uHn58hLagyJqTgg3m1ZgiLQw5RBHI+GDqz2bZlmq9mIF3+7HtQko C2TaGwiOInGYdUiYEKwRdF5NsSFEkTHSEgVS2vMibP9sC5QIymRjgzpRQuhGyZtu 3ZhkVzpLGUAt3N+uRyGALfTp5cC5edO8WDRFLNo/azhqbb+xxAGvR8qnuOz0ny4o M/9qGAWVfs1KZNh+beHC3xaYc+ztw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrieekgdejhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecuufhorhhtvgguuchrvggtihhpshculdegtddmnecujf gurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtjeenucfhrhhomhepufgtohhtthcu nfhonhhguceoshgtohhtthhlsehsrghmshgtohdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehfrh gvvggsshgurdhorhhgnecukfhppeduvddrvddvledrvdegjedrgeenucfrrghrrghmpehm rghilhhfrhhomhepshgtohhtthhlsehsrghmshgtohdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghruf hiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [172.20.1.19] (unknown [12.229.247.4]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 52DFC80059; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r353456 - head/usr.sbin/pciconf From: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <201910130210.x9D2AokR097894@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:42:39 -0700 Cc: Scott Long , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <33AA1D39-CA5B-4AE1-BD1F-A12D1F0DE508@samsco.org> References: <201910130210.x9D2AokR097894@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46rSFG1h84z4RSp X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 03:42:42 -0000 > On Oct 12, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Rodney W. Grimes = wrote: >=20 >> Author: scottl >> Date: Sat Oct 12 22:27:57 2019 >> New Revision: 353456 >> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/353456 >>=20 >> Log: >> Change from the non-standard nomenclature of "chip" and "card" to = the >> standard nomenclature of "device" and "vendor" with the "sub" = variants. >> This changes the printed format, so anything that scrapes and parses >> this will need to be adapted. No compatibility shims are provided, >> but this will not be MFC'd. >=20 > I can not "adapt" google easily, seaching for these strings are > often very usefull in finding stuff like bug reports and ohers > with similiar issues. I am not sure the gain of this is positive > over the loss of that. It=E2=80=99s never too early to change bad habits =3D-) Every time I write a driver, or even just evaluate an existing driver = against new hardware (which happens frequently for me now, you should = have been at my talk yesterday), I stumble over the non-standard = nomenclature. It doesn=E2=80=99t match the published spec, it doesn=E2=80= =99t match the kernel API, and it doesn=E2=80=99t match any other OS. = John, Warner, and I have been talking about this for at least 10 years, = and it was time to rip off the band-aid and just do it. Scott