From owner-cvs-all Tue Sep 24 18:52:39 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4437B401; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.iprimus.net.au (smtp02.iprimus.net.au [210.50.76.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D3343E4A; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim@robbins.dropbear.id.au) Received: from dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au ([210.50.202.186]) by smtp02.iprimus.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:52:28 +1000 Received: from dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au (4yz29ko6gueg5mc0@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8P1qNqi039735; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:52:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from tim@dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8P1qKwV039734; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:52:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:52:20 +1000 From: Tim Robbins To: Peter Wemm Cc: "Andrey A. Chernov" , Poul-Henning Kamp , Julian Elischer , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libncurses Makefile Message-ID: <20020925115220.A39397@dilbert.robbins.dropbear.id.au> References: <20020924211110.GB61277@nagual.pp.ru> <20020924212009.77BDF2A7D6@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020924212009.77BDF2A7D6@canning.wemm.org>; from peter@wemm.org on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 02:20:09PM -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2002 01:52:29.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[3492C240:01C26436] Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 02:20:09PM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 14:05:38 -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > > > This particular "feature" is going to cause a *huge* amount of pain. > > > I wouldn't be suprised if it costs us anouther 500-1000 unbuldable ports. > > > > For ports we MUST set _POSIX2_VERSION=199209 in the bsd.port.mk > > No, this is the equivalent of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending > that we dont have a problem. The Real World consists of much more than > the ports tree. The problems that the ports tree has are the only indication > that we have about how the rest of the Real World code will fare with > our releases. > > Turn off the silly feature in sort(1) the first place. Let people request > it by setting _POSIX2_VERSION=200112 if they want to sort a filename that > begins with a +. Or, use 'sort ./+file' like they would already have to > do for just about every other unix OS on the planet. The problem isn't limited to just sort: tail has the same problem, and I believe there were a few others. I think we need some way of specifying which standard we want (by environment variable or sysctl), and to default to being compatible with 7th edition. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message