From nobody Sat Nov 22 13:01:25 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4dDC0K61Bjz6H5Pj for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4dDC0K5LC3z3n2G for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1763816513; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Dy7jqnriWqum+TYEbyQRSra+Cu+tKKJCcaOIxPyOF80=; b=A7Ky5PnYMtVnhqXPHEXJ9lCv22q4H/89EhBZNvLeXBqxBQZ0wgkqBgVOtyNcZ13ZWSF4jE jjtsnxrKRJM6aUft3wsW8gohLEUOQukDr16LovE5SfSsbBrsgCLrxHK9bwrfc2lLEsqcdl RLCN7IYG862+me9c1nNzI1Ruicewp04J4/2DxLkohGRw1DvzEEMRmyUfqzGJC1X+AbJoyM unBEt1GTTGUzonFth4lhsVKkfLYDYaHVcOndTB/mMJtYEnk1ghLiVq/m/hhmQBQhi/9+VY S99GglrRqqBhNCjzPU2DoVginenVmLZsjcTGfRQJGioZNr59lFn6HXBn9JMg2w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1763816513; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Dy7jqnriWqum+TYEbyQRSra+Cu+tKKJCcaOIxPyOF80=; b=T71Vohzawj03joBwTYQK6zMJyzTUKcrlBr333blEJi/DcmtOmS6qAVFUXH4zrhOgULm/Fa caFwwz9gM5z0DDcFBkiANAgzlp6Mqaf2r/Yuo9Ddzud+hySPbeMLb5/mFP1mJoSvboDIxw Ac1mMKGBepNpF4xPgtmIeSo2mAXRJ4oeEadRxbTjqHbhzVqFN0CRwk+JQN0Iou8Zs+hiic NeLLCxXAWAf+Jl9FNZqgIDnccOXYfJ4kS5ES33LBCa1/8MqUXCrqDb0uQjRLPEEWdTvGw8 mYAr2EftAIWED6m9WTOl+vWafEgb6iVHgb3EEUOWXauYhLxhBo+wZ5zvwaTqcw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1763816513; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=YHZWr0bef6SmzDTagOFmaYPYgmeVC4XIJ6HKz/cUayUSGgSy9Oqh840b/vCJBIITak2TdW qCti8lzcCu3+LtkwLrtyy+SDRN5HAGDUhG8p8EHxRqDTsX+GhUh55s7bzyU+35Dd/O1tuG ycyL0/dvBsUCodTaipNWuoQSgAhmwVslD4oEEHSbipOWkcfWvRevZ2MlxiIoBZy6SLnpFq U9jreoRB7Tlmi7MYvTi5QM/Yoou5tztBrSxR2SirmHIUyVp52nq87m5ceWOo8/bABLVJrk YelBTb2F2k8hFUc3zZ2u+1pXxFUms4o3uVY77kyN5bdQ5KcXU309UZ1WMBQZpw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from amaryllis.le-fay.org (amaryllis.le-fay.org [IPv6:2a00:1098:6b:400::9]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ivy/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4dDC0K3HyVzn5h for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2025 13:01:25 +0000 From: Lexi Winter To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changing from pkgbase to regularbase Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <71e4b46c-8d69-451d-92ca-79316ffc4b63@app.fastmail.com> <20251122180931.52c1141475f5faec4fad633c@dec.sakura.ne.jp> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ULMpEnE2qcJ3nD16" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --ULMpEnE2qcJ3nD16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marek Zarychta wrote in : > W dniu 22.11.2025 o=A010:09, Tomoaki AOKI pisze: > > I don't think disallowing de-pkgbasifying is a good idea. >=20 > +1 we are not disallowing depkgbasifying. > Switching from RELEASE to STABLE has always been possible. Why should > pkgbase be an exception in this regard? it is not an exception. it is entirely possible, and indeed quite straightforward, to switch from release to stable using pkgbase. the only nit, which was mentioned in another thread recently, is that the first time you do this you might need to use "pkg upgrade -f" because pkg sometimes thinks release versions are older than snapshots. this only needs to be done once, the first time you switch branches. > While delivering a limited or trimmed-down OS with pkgbase is certainly > possible, the same is true when installing from source. In fact, upgrading > the world and kernel over NFS is often even faster and less resource > consuming than using pkgbase. It would be a great loss for the community = if > this old, seamless, and proven-to-work method were ever deprecated in fav= our > of pkgbase. we are not removing or deprecating installworld. there are no plans to do that and there is no reason to do that. to reiterate, in case it's not clear: the error being discussed in this thread is NOT a precursor to removing installworld support and it is NOT an attempt to prevent people from depkgbasifying their system. its purpose is an anti-footgun device to prevent people from breaking their system by running make installworld without first depkgbasifying the system, which will leave the system broken. as i said previously: if you correctly depkgbasify your system, you will not encounter this error message. it is ONLY displayed on systems which have NOT been depkgbasified. --ULMpEnE2qcJ3nD16 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaSG0IgAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YD5hAP4neq9HCUyOZYzmSvdzkUvW3Md5YGZcAyJPqkoBM9hxdwD/QEfgtBHxt33s Gsa0cN8PC9MAhjiEdQQR7p1+QUn3Zgw= =0vyb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ULMpEnE2qcJ3nD16--