From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 02:56:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA60B16A4CE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.nsu.ru (mx.nsu.ru [212.192.164.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAAC43D1D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: from mail by mx.nsu.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AVqQO-0005rt-00; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:58:04 +0600 Received: from regency.nsu.ru ([193.124.210.26]) by mx.nsu.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AVqQN-0005qX-00; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:58:03 +0600 Received: from regency.nsu.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by regency.nsu.ru (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBFAx9g1008329; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:59:09 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: (from danfe@localhost) by regency.nsu.ru (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hBFAx9wR008266; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:59:09 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from danfe) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:59:09 +0600 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Peter Jeremy , Mark Murray , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031215105909.GA97471@regency.nsu.ru> References: <200312141136.hBEBa2pD043994@grimreaper.grondar.org> <20031215083703.GB956@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <20031215095049.GA78800@regency.nsu.ru> <20031215104647.GO13737@starjuice.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031215104647.GO13737@starjuice.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Envelope-To: PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au, mark@grondar.org, des@des.no, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:56:07 -0000 On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 12:46:47PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On (2003/12/15 15:50), Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > Frankly, adding an option to ls(1) or writing ls(1) -l/awk(1) combo > > takes my vote, rather than adding yet another foo(1) utility to the > > base; especially provided that its functionality isn't strictly > > orthogonal. > > Hmmm, I don't know. POSIX suggests that scripts should not rely on the > output of formatted ls(1) output. Yes, that's why having stat(1) in -CURRENT is OK. Since we hardly can claim 4.x as fully POSIX-compliant, dealing with "ls/stat" trade-off via ls(1) is not that bad. After all, if we hack needed (minor) functionality into ls(1) and provide new command line option, we can avoid cumbersome parsing of `ls -l' output, yet not pulling stat(1) from -CURRENT at the same time. ./danfe