From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 11:39:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBBF106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303EC8FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51BdeKB007600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:39:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC8A9FC.7030704@digsys.bg> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:39:40 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:39:50 -0000 On 01.06.12 13:19, Katinka wrote: > There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. > > For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. > Do we really care? The number of really bright people, or even people who are able to reasonably comprehend and understand things is very, very small and more or less constant over the years. The "rest" will always be more and there is really no point to convince them opf anything. Evangelizing those ignorant people to FreeBSD is just creating new (FreeBSD) religion, which is not what the bright minds are concerned. Attract the masses and you will definitely lose the leaders. Instead, lead by example. Showcase. Demonstrate how superior FreeBSD is because the people who keep it going are not interested to be the Jack of All Trades (and master of none). Showcase implementations that are hard to do with any other OS. Don't even complete on benchmarks. This is one thing I learned years ago working closely with Cisco: your competitor could always outspec you or win the benchmark, with system specifically designed for the task. Or tuned to the task. Just like with Linux. This is not to say we should ignore opportunities to improve FreeBSD. Just don't slip for the popularity vote and stay within the framework and principles (even when you are seemingly outpaced) that made FreeBSD so successful. Albert Einstein once said: "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." Daniel PS: This became longer than originally envisioned.