From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 8 15:53:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7911ADE2 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from duck.symmetricom.us (duck.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC6B8FC0A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (daffy.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.218]) by duck.symmetricom.us (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qA8FrS6q043392 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qA8FrQmn016054; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Subject: Re: 9.1-RC3 feels okay :-) From: Ian Lepore To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: References: <201211062158.qA6Lvt2l039276@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:53:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1352390005.17290.71.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, CeDeROM X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:53:40 -0000 On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 08:45 -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, CeDeROM wrote: > > > I have tested additional options in xorg runtime :-) > > > > With the patched xorg mouse driver 1.7.1 (or driver version >=1.7.2) > > situation is following: > > > > 1. With hald and dbus no xorg.conf file is needed. However it might bo > > option to pass some additional featutes parameters with xorg.conf. > > 2. With no hald and dbus mouse and keyboard does not work in xorg unless > > Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" is added to Section "ServerLayout" by > > hand in xorg.conf. Without this option input does not work even if > > xorg.conf defines it! AllowEmptyInput=False forces to detect input deviced > > by Xorg at startup. > > No. AllowEmptyInput is wrong. It was causing so many problems that it > has been removed from later xorg-server releases. This is disturbing news. We build embedded systems at work that use X for presentation and have no input devices. I understand that AllowEmptyInput is inappropriate to work around the problem we're discussing here, but that doesn't mean it's never needed. > Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" is the one that means "dont' use Hal to > detect input devices". > > > Thank you for this hint! This could be added to the handbook :-) > > AllowEmptyInput=False should be a default for Xorg IMO we can report it to > > the Xorg project! :-) > > Really, the simplest solution is to build xorg-server with the HAL > option disabled. I agree that this should be the default. So if you're using xorg-server that was built with hal included (maybe because you're more a package than a ports kind of person and have no control over the build), is AutoAddDevices still the right option to manipulate? That is, will it disable the use of hal and fall back to honoring the xorg.conf input devices even if the server was built with hal support? -- Ian