From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 12 14:05:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11959D632F for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959991F80 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 930889D632E; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AFF9D632D for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: from mx.nsu.ru (mx.nsu.ru [84.237.50.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A9841F7F for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: from regency.nsu.ru ([193.124.210.26]) by mx.nsu.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1a7knb-0007hd-Bx for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 20:05:25 +0600 Received: from regency.nsu.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by regency.nsu.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id tBCE65hf042079 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 20:06:05 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from danfe@regency.nsu.ru) Received: (from danfe@localhost) by regency.nsu.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id tBCE60bI042016 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 20:06:00 +0600 (NOVT) (envelope-from danfe) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 20:06:00 +0600 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for AMD APU based laptop with good FreeBSD support Message-ID: <20151212140559.GA33436@regency.nsu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-KLMS-Rule-ID: 1 X-KLMS-Message-Action: clean X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Lua-Profiles: 88172 [Dec 12 2015] X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Version: 5.5.6 X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Envelope-From: danfe@regency.nsu.ru X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Rate: 0 X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Status: not_detected X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Method: none X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Moebius-Timestamps: 3866863, 3866878, 3866829 X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Info: LuaCore: 378 378 1e7ea7963800114ee93165eacd681fad09c7a7a4, 127.0.0.200:7.1.3; regency.nsu.ru:7.1.1; d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e.com:7.1.1; 193.124.210.26:7.1.2,7.1.3; nsu.ru:7.1.1; 127.0.0.199:7.1.2; www.hp.com:4.0.4,7.1.1 X-KLMS-AntiSpam-Interceptor-Info: scan successful X-KLMS-AntiPhishing: Clean, 2015/12/07 15:50:10 X-KLMS-AntiVirus: Kaspersky Security 8.0 for Linux Mail Server, version 8.0.1.705, not scanned, license restriction X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:05:38 -0000 Hi there, As FreeBSD currently still lacks proper support for Haswell, I'm starting to consider if getting an AMD APU based laptop, while its CPU being slower than even i3, could be a viable alternative for the time being (provided everything else, including but not limited to suspend/resume, works fine). Requirements: 14", 4+ cores (or 2+ AMD modules), unsoldered RAM up to 16GB (2+ slots), no secondary (auxiliary, discrete) gfx card (AMD's internal graphics is good enough and I don't want another potential point of failure, standard SATA, gigabit Ethernet, WiFi, Bluetooth. Fully working suspend and resume: I can tolerate having to reinitialize network/sound card or Bluetooth stack, but not a reboot. Would be nice: good/easy disassembly and repairability, IPS screen or being able to replace default TN one, standard DisplayPort rather than proprietary HDMI, optical drive (to replace with HDD/SSD caddy), backlit keyboard, no webcam, no preinstalled Windoze. FireWire- or COM-port, unsoldered CPU -- couldn't be better. Candidates so far: 1. HP ProBook 645 G1: looking at the datasheet [1] it has almost everything I need, plus you can probably ask for Atheros WiFi chip instead of Broadcom. Socketed APU (FS1r2) means you can get a cheap A4 and replace with A10 at a better price than HP currently offers. 2. HP EliteBook 745 G2 and G3: got metal case, newer APU, but lacks CD/DVD drive, lighter than ProBook. I don't see Atheros option in the datasheet [2] anymore though, and it says "1 USB 3.0; 1 USB 3.0 charging" for G3 which is probably a typo (I hope) and there're still 4 USB ports total. But it's more expensive than ProBook, so overall option #1 makes a better choice ATM. Questions to the community: Did anyone have chance to try FreeBSD and perhaps compare these two models? Shall I avoid them for some reason (bad craftsmanship, inefficient cooling system, battery leaking current, etc.)? Are there other laptops on AMD APU except those HP's worth considering? Thanks, ./danfe [1] http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2013/CommercialPPSFall2013/HPPr obook645G1NotebookPC_datasheet.pdf [2] http://www.hp.com/sbso/hpinfo/newsroom/HPElitePC2015/HPEliteBook745G3Noteboo kPC.pdf